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JetSolo
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posted 23 April 2003 00:00 AM EDT (US)         
I ran across a great point that forumer:

LKS_Cyanide wrote on MFO : http://www.mrfixitonline.com/readTopic.asp?PostingId=1263387


Quoted From LKS_Cyanide:


"Why SET isn't a problem. Part II.

Civilization Win Pct Games Used
Greek
Zeus 44% 13,254 12%
Hades 46% 11,094 10%
Poseidon 52% 12,114 11%
Greek 47% 36,462 32%

Egyptian
Isis 50% 11,234 10%
Ra 44% 4,496 4%
Set 55% 10,500 9%
Egyptian 51% 26,230 23%

Norse
Odin 53% 16,412 14%
Thor 51% 13,815 12%
Loki 51% 21,039 18%
Norse 51% 51,266 45%

Source: Aom.Holbert.org April 20, 2003 (WEEKLY STAT QUERIE)

As you can see, the winning percentage for SET is 55%, however, only 9% of all those who play, choose Set. If anything, check out the Norse. 53% for Odin...and it's being played by people who are considerably less skilled than those who are playing SET. (As evidenced by the 14% of those who are playing that civ.)

If anything, the evidence suggests that ODIN is more overpowered than SET is.

A good explanation would be that for ODIN to grab early map control, all he has to do is send his Ulfie forward and not get detected. For SET to grab early map control, well, it requires a hell of a lot more micro'ing.

What about the accusations that only the top 20 players are all SET? Well, let's take a look at the PROOF, shall we?

Top 25 Avg 1736 90% 15 16:19 5:43 12:43 21:17 4.73 7.72 8.09 6.32 0.11 Set (22%) 2003-04-20
1. KGB_Skipper 1761 94% 17 14:33 6:00 11:34 19:12 4.73 7.35 6.91 7.55 0.10 Isis (59%) 2003-04-20
2. ZM_YouLose 1750 100% 17 15:51 6:54 11:43 19:40 4.10 6.28 6.90 3.81 0.13 Set (100%) 2003-04-20
3. FOPT_Trial273 1749 100% 14 14:16 5:05 13:16 21:19 4.92 7.85 8.74 6.57 0.15 Loki (100%) 2003-04-20
4. IamWalker 1748 60% 28 22:09 5:47 12:08 27:02 4.48 7.65 8.55 6.43 0.10 Set (64%) 2003-04-20
5. KGB_Brim 1743 93% 16 15:22 5:47 13:30 22:21 4.46 6.64 7.89 6.24 0.08 Isis (50%) 2003-04-20
6. SethTraining 1743 100% 14 13:32 5:49 12:05 16:59 4.40 7.99 7.35 4.27 0.08 Set (100%) 2003-04-20
7. Schattendrache 1741 86% 15 15:53 5:27 11:47 21:48 4.28 8.08 7.67 5.10 0.07 Ra (67%) 2003-04-20
8. BPSK 1736 93% 16 16:15 5:15 12:27 14:42 5.40 8.29 10.35 6.64 0.12 Thor (100%) 2003-04-20
9. Skipper_TBE 1735 100% 12 13:27 5:52 12:08 17:34 4.80 7.26 5.87 6.69 0.17 Zeus (67%) 2003-04-18
10. limpbizkit_com 1735 89% 19 13:43 5:29 19:38 23:31 4.25 5.50 7.30 6.43 0.15 Thor (79%) 2003-04-20
11. Zg_GoBo 1734 94% 19 15:50 5:34 12:51 21:50 4.98 8.42 8.09 6.99 0.10 Isis (37%) 2003-04-19
12. Anne_Nurmi_be 1733 100% 16 18:53 6:30 13:30 23:21 5.04 8.89 8.88 7.32 0.11 Set (75%) 2003-04-18
13. L_Clan_MuambA 1733 100% 11 13:30 5:15 12:05 16:24 4.15 5.30 8.46 5.44 0.10 Thor (100%) 2003-04-20
14. TSoW_Yang 1732 73% 19 21:36 5:32 13:41 22:54 5.43 9.37 9.32 6.99 0.10 Pos (68%) 2003-04-20
15. SysRq 1732 100% 12 14:00 5:47 12:04 16:15 4.17 6.91 6.57 4.94 0.08 Pos (17%) 2003-04-18
16. L_Clan_XP 1732 100% 12 11:40 5:13 12:37 0:00 4.34 7.28 6.28 5.65 0.11 Odin (67%) 2003-04-20
17. IamYaMa 1731 100% 9 16:06 5:17 11:06 16:47 4.69 6.36 7.65 6.73 0.11 Thor (56%) 2003-04-20
18. camarapa 1730 87% 8 16:32 5:19 13:28 24:03 5.04 7.05 8.25 8.50 0.12 Thor (88%) 2003-04-20
19. Twist_Of_Fate 1729 92% 13 16:54 5:39 15:06 19:27 4.00 5.97 6.41 5.52 0.11 Odin (46%) 2003-04-20
20. Qu4rTz 1729 100% 9 20:51 6:06 12:15 23:31 5.38 8.78 8.99 7.53 0.12 Set (44%) 2003-04-19
21. Caliss_ST 1728 91% 24 19:45 6:06 10:50 20:39 5.61 9.90 10.91 6.42 0.12 Ra (79%) 2003-04-19
22. ArgoNaut_ZenZin_ 1728 60% 20 16:01 5:14 14:56 21:16 4.64 8.11 7.12 6.49 0.13 Odin (80%) 2003-04-20
23. BORN_TO_KlLL 1727 100% 11 11:23 5:21 13:09 23:10 4.67 8.01 7.05 5.50 0.11 Odin (100%) 2003-04-20
24. BaMBOoFoReST 1727 100% 10 14:16 5:33 15:27 26:17 4.25 6.86 7.19 6.62 0.04 Pos (100%) 2003-04-19
25. Andy2k3 1727 100% 10 13:56 5:35 13:32 0:00 4.27 6.83 5.73 6.45 0.09 Pos (100%) 2003-04-20


Source: AOM.Holbert.org (WEEKLY QUIRIE), April 20, 2003.

22% of all games played in the top 25 ARE SET. Well, well, that *could* explain the 55% winning rate of SET in the grand totals. Only FOUR of the top 25 are persistant SET players. In fact, there are more THOR (5) Whores than there are SET whores. Odin too has quite the following.

I think the mass stats speak for themselves. If anything, maybe RA or ISIS need to be given the Dr. Doolittle Ability too!

Other notes: Greeks continue to Suffer. RA has been decimated (4% utilization!) however, the ISIS revival lives on! "

Now, I didn't write this but I would say the evidence is convincing.


[This message has been edited by JetSolo (edited 04-23-2003 @ 00:04 AM).]

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simwiz2
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posted 23 April 2003 00:13 AM EDT (US)     1 / 109       
So your evidence claims that although Set is good, he is harder to play so there is no problem? If that is your argument then it is very flawed IMO. AoM should not have "n00b civs" and "expert civs". No amount of the microing difficulty or other difficulty to play can balance a civ that can consistently beat others of the same skill, it simply makes it an overpowered "expert civ".

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proq
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posted 23 April 2003 00:14 AM EDT (US)     2 / 109       
it's not convincing at all...

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Azarath
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posted 23 April 2003 00:15 AM EDT (US)     3 / 109       
55% win and only 9 % use him.

Lets clarify something most eveyone under 1850 wont use him cause they dont know how to abuse set.

only 9%? When this playing percentage goes up Youll see win percentage go up too as they finally get more skilled or "used to set."

The fact that Odin is the most played and still has LESS winning than people who just started playing set @ 9% proves that he is over powered.

This doesn' change the fact that set will own your a$$ on maps that have lots of animals because Set then uses less resources for military, the oppenent uses more resources for military, that double savings on resources results in a faster heroic, heroic leads to the super effective ancestors taht can turn a battle or shut down an economy for almost 1minute 30seconds slowing the oppenent even more, and free animals at every age. Forgot to mention access to better reseach, TC's, seige, and midol units.

Now all that aside on non animal heavy maps, he's still goet 3 favor 1 pop 7 hack 41% (Better than cav) hack monkies he can pop outta the pharo's a$$ anytime he wants and they train in 5 seconds.

On water two words: Snakes & Ancestors.

I play all the civs over 1800. Set takes slightly more micro than the rest of egypt but the bonuses far outweight the extra 2secs you spend flipping around your minimap looking for red un moving dots.....

WK_WOLF
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 00:41 AM EDT (US)     4 / 109       
You have it all wrong. Set players are less skilled than others of equal rating. i'm not saying all set players are noobs, but in general, a 1900 set player is 1800 normally. for example i know someone who used to play poseidon. He was around 1920 in rating. He switched to Set, then 5 days later he's #8 on supremacy ladder. And he knows it. He always tells me how he abuses the monkeys because they are overpowered.

Set is overpowered. Jetsolo, you have to give up. It's not even opinion anymore, it's a fact. I'm not trying to debate with you, i'm trying to show you the truth. IT'S A FACT. SET IS OVERPOWERED.


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outrage_AOM
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posted 23 April 2003 00:48 AM EDT (US)     5 / 109       
Fact: Set can destroy your dock on water maps in archaic
Fact: Set harrasment in archaic can slow down thier opponent incredibly.
Fact: Set uses less resources on military
Fact: Set can have a larger army than any other civ on classical transition
Fact: Set has the best map control in the game due to its animals
Fact: Set has some of the best scouting due to vision + animals.
Fact: Set can get serpants and ancestors which are awesome GPs.
Fact: Set is overpowered.
The Golden Arm
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 00:49 AM EDT (US)     6 / 109       
omg Jetsolo.

Did u even BOTHER to look at the recorded games provided to you?

Look at the Hope Vs I_Love_MPT game

Or x2_Herbaliser Vs WW_Headshot

Look at them and come back and share your o so wonderful plan of how to combat set.

But no ofcourse its all Norse's fault.


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Kittina
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 00:55 AM EDT (US)     7 / 109       
A bunch of copy and paste, no real evidence.
Check out my sig

BTW Jetsolo, one request: Download the song "Liberate" by the band Disturbed, it suits you well.

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STFU Jetsolo
futurehermit
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 01:14 AM EDT (US)     8 / 109       
Fact: Set is overpowered (esp monkeys)
Fact: The winning and usage %s of Set will rise very soon
Fact: Greek need a *slight* boost (hoplites & wood cost)
Fact: JetSolo (as any other civilization than set) playing against a player of equal skill (as set) will lose at least 9/10 times

fh

dragons89
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 01:17 AM EDT (US)     9 / 109       
The reason is this. Those records take into account everything from the start of AoM ESO. Set has been the underdog for most of the time, so even if somebody played only Set since patch 1.05/1.04, the amount of games where Set is used will be under what their previous god was.

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Gaylord Focker
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posted 23 April 2003 01:30 AM EDT (US)     10 / 109       
Set is clearly overpowered, but I'd like to see ES tone it down just enough that he's more beatable, but still the best god. Since one of them has to be the best, why not let the one that is hardest to micro remain the one with the best bonuses.
diurnal
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 01:33 AM EDT (US)     11 / 109       
I dont think the question is "is set overpowering?"(WE KNOW HE IS). Its "when set gets patch who will be next overpowering god?"
JetSolo
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 02:05 AM EDT (US)     12 / 109       
Wow, this just makes me laugh.

Look at all the flames in this thread directed at me when I openly stated that I quoted LKS from MFO.

I didn't even add my take on the matter.

It's just funny to see how fast you run to complain about me.

I'll reply to some of your comments.

1. Kitana : Good luck on your endeavors with that sig. But hey, there are many hate groups in this world so i'm not surprised, i.e. "KKK, Nazi's". You only know where you are trying to go by flat out flaming like that, have fun and good luck to you - For I will no longer take anything you say seriously, nor will I respond to it.

2. WK_Wolf: Finaly, thanks for actualy writing without flaming me with a signature or in your argument. As for the fact about Set being overpowered, I see that as being ridiculous. Set is a strong civilization, but only in the hands of those who can master such micro - within the first few minutes. I'll tell you that I've played Set in 300 games ++ - and every single time I play him it's very nerve recking. Sure it becomes second nature to micro manage after a while. However, You are doing about 4 times as many things as a regular Eggie, Greek, Odin player. It's very easy to forget to do something or to mess up your economy. It should be noted that Sets economy is the worst in the game - and as such, Any mistake in econ. order could cost you the game.

Set isn't even played by the top 25 as much as Odin and Loki is.

As for the archaic dock hitting, that problem can be easily solved by taking some notes of the "Vni + M14" game. Vni (Loki), simply moved his wood villies nearby a dock (they still getting wood). Sets animals will get owned without Feral in archaic.

Set is just a unique civ. that is played by 9% of the ESO community. The winning percentage isn't even that far from "Isis" , "Odin" , "Thor", "Loki".

[This message has been edited by JetSolo (edited 04-23-2003 @ 02:12 AM).]

Atirez
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 03:12 AM EDT (US)     13 / 109       
I do not agree with this idea of Set only being overpowered when used by expert players. If you think about it if two 1700 players play a 1v1 both making the about the same mistakes due to thier skill levels then the Set player will still have a larger military and map control and own you, I do not think it really matters wether the players are 1k or 2k if they are of equal skill the Set player should win.

If not I must not be any where near my rating due to the fact I got beat by a 1690 "expert" set player on Ghost Lake the other night .

dragons89
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 03:24 AM EDT (US)     14 / 109       
The reason Set is considered to be only overpowered in the hands of an expert is because to utilise Set's extreme bonuses, you need to be very skilfull in micromanaging. If you cannot micromanage things well, you're better off not playing Set.

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Firestormz
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posted 23 April 2003 04:38 AM EDT (US)     15 / 109       
Fact: Jetsolo is my prime candidate for AoMHs least liked repetitive whiner.

This whole post is a disguised norse bash thread since hes constantly insinuating that Odin is overpowered.


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Miain
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posted 23 April 2003 04:49 AM EDT (US)     16 / 109       
fact:nearly everyone who flames jetsolo uses norse
The Golden Arm
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posted 23 April 2003 05:41 AM EDT (US)     17 / 109       
Not everyone who flames Jetsolo is Norse. Why must everyone bring NORSE into this discussion! Is about Set!

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hades27
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posted 23 April 2003 07:27 AM EDT (US)     18 / 109       
I for one am Convinced! I use SET !><

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bitbroosher
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posted 23 April 2003 07:32 AM EDT (US)     19 / 109       
Hi all,

I saw some items that were presented as "fact" that I want to discuss them:

Quote:


fact:nearly everyone who flames jetsolo uses norse


I think so, because their pride as a "Norse Player, the unbeatable civ" has been touched for a former underdog civ.

Quote:


Fact: Jetsolo is my prime candidate for AoMHs least liked repetitive whiner.


That's true . Sorry JetSolo...

Quote:


Fact: Set is overpowered (esp monkeys)


Monkeys hit hard, specially with feral. But they are only useful at archaic and early classical. All animals are useless past classical.

Quote:


Fact: The winning and usage %s of Set will rise very soon


this, only yime will tell.

Quote:


Fact: Greek need a *slight* boost (hoplites & wood cost)


Agree 100000000% with you. Mainly Zeus and Hades.

Quote:


Fact: JetSolo (as any other civilization than set) playing against a player of equal skill (as set) will lose at least 9/10 times


Well... if JetSolo survive archaic, and early classical, I think is gg to Set Player. Set only has advantages in archaic. After this, he has nothng left (besides Slingers).

Quote:


Fact: Set can destroy your dock on water maps in archaic


Yes, we can. But you can raid us entire classical with cavalry, we cannot. So if you say "put some troops there" I say "put some villagers there".

Quote:


Fact: Set harrasment in archaic can slow down thier opponent incredibly.


Yes and No.
Yes, we can slow you down, but No, not that hard. Set has the worst economy in the game (I think no one will discuss this). We are trying not letting you get so far from us, because if you get this far, we will cartainly lose the game.

Quote:


Fact: Set uses less resources on military


Yes, but our military is weak, I mean, few HP Damage. In classical we get only infantary. I would loeve to get a cavalry (raid) unit in classical. And for animals, you will not have a huge amount of them because the favor grows up very slowly.

Quote:


Fact: Set can have a larger army than any other civ on classical transition


Yes. but past classical, you can have a better army than mine everytime, just need to micro and make the right troops.

Quote:


Fact: Set has the best map control in the game due to its animals


YES! BUT THE WORST ECONOMY IN THE GAME.

Quote:


Fact: Set has some of the best scouting due to vision + animals.


YES! BUT THE WORST ECONOMY IN THE GAME.

Quote:


Fact: Set can get serpants and ancestors which are awesome GPs.


First: Not all Set palyers will go for Anubit+Nephtys. I usually go for Ptah+Sekhmet.
Second: Isis get them too, and it's rare to see an Isis player that don't go for Anubit+Nephtys.

Quote:


Fact: Set is overpowered.


NO. He has advantages, just as other civ have theirs.


My conclusion about all this:
Set is not overpowered. period.

The only age that Set has advantages is archaic and at most early classical (And this advantage is not for all maps... is in only 2 or 3). He has the best scouting in the game, but, in trade, worst economy in the game.

You say that monkeys are TOO overpowered... well but if you, in heroic, could have an unit that has a HUGE HP (even more if you chose a certain major god), has an OK armor and damage, and it's a cavalry unit, but not run as fast as other cavalry (but with a unit like this, why would you run??? ), takes ONLY 3 pop, and better, have damage bonus vs MU, and their civ already has a Hero unit that can be massed too. it's amaizing, isn't it???? well, you can say that if this unit really exists, you can just build their counters. But one of their counters cannot counter them very effectivelly, and other counter just become a good counter in Mythic (only if chose a cerain god), and the other one is this unit himself. Oh, don't exist such powerful unit!!! Wait! it do exist. and it's from Norse, and it is called J-A-R-L.
I tried not to bring other civ into this, but I couldn't resist... sorry guys...
But look at your own advantages before complaining about others advantages.
All these threads about Set is kind of SELFISH. Explore your own civ bonus, and don't try nerfing mine.

Oh, I almost forgot... there is a real counter to Set, and it's from Norse, and It's called Thor. He has a tech called "Pig Sticker" that make villagers destroy animals even more efficiently. (OMG Why I didn't think this before???).


Regards,
bitbroosher.


Tsunami
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 07:56 AM EDT (US)     20 / 109       
Set has a few bonus that other civs don't have, so what! Each civ is different, Loki can get free MU's, Poseidon has cheaper hippikons etc. Egypt is the weakest civ overall and one bonus won't change that.

As stated the facts stand up for themselves, Set only won 50% of the time over the last week (ending 23/4/03). For those of you who don't get it half of the game were won and half were lost. If that is not balanced then nothing is. Unless anyone can produce more solid evidence then Set is definitely not overpowered.


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Deaconrage
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posted 23 April 2003 08:32 AM EDT (US)     21 / 109       
About plague of serpents and ancestors......how can anyone complain that these god powers are too strong??? All that is needed to counter these GPs is a couple of heroes as they are classed as myth units!!! Villagers even counter plague of serpents!!!!! The Set animal rush IMO, is no worse than Odin players massing jarls or the Loki Hersir rush.
The Dover Demon
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 08:36 AM EDT (US)     22 / 109       

Quote:

is no worse than Odin players massing jarls

This has to be sarcasm.

psychomonkey2000
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 08:37 AM EDT (US)     23 / 109       

Quoted from hades27:

for one am Convinced! I use SET !><

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The Golden Arm
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posted 23 April 2003 09:13 AM EDT (US)     24 / 109       
Ok lets look at this situation from a recorded game. It was hades vs set on Aflhiem.

Set used his Animals in Archaic and early to keep his opponent boxed in, by heroic he had himself parked right outside the hades players base with this.

About 8-9 Apes (Free + 27 Favour)
4 Aurochs (Free)
5 Wolves (Free)

As we look so far, the Set player has 17-18 strong army, FOR FREE. Wow his army cost 37 favour. But wait, it doesnt stop there. He still has his Slingers, Spears and 3 Siege Towers.

Now where the Hades players leigon was an even match for its set counterpart, the extra 17 units make a huge difference.

Oh wait, why doesnt the Hades player push to match the units. Ok so he does, and the armies are evenly matched.

EHHH WRONG, the set player has 17 units worth of Food, Wood and Gold saved, to use on techs.

Look Set Gets free units. Ok Sure thats his bonus, oh and yah sure its completely fair that 3 Apes (costing 9 favour) take down a Anubite. Yah thats fair.

Set gets Uber Scouting
Set gets Free Units
Cheaper Migdols
Now Uber elephants with Thoth

Set is the best god, and some of his bonuses need to be toned. You have to agree with that.

If you dont then your a noob.


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Hope_
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posted 23 April 2003 09:19 AM EDT (US)     25 / 109       
Obviously you set protectors have never played in 2000+ range.

Try playing set whores who abuse him to the fullest.

hades27
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posted 23 April 2003 09:22 AM EDT (US)     26 / 109       
You beat Set with Hades and Zeus and yet you still complain >< Lol jk

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Hope_
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posted 23 April 2003 09:23 AM EDT (US)     27 / 109       
I beat sucky set players with set and zeus, most of the time its because I get lucky, still I find it VERY hard to beat them.

Free animals plus slingers of death is no fun to be up against.

hades27
Mortal
posted 23 April 2003 09:26 AM EDT (US)     28 / 109       
I like how you interpret Slingers as "Slingers of Death"

Sets animals arent free at all. Set will have to sacrifice favor for animals, therefore he has to sacrifice some Favor-cost Techs and Myth Units (if he goes heavy on Animals).


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Phat Fox
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posted 23 April 2003 09:48 AM EDT (US)     29 / 109       
Quote:
If anything, maybe RA or ISIS need to be given the Dr. Doolittle Ability too!

What exactly do you mean by this?


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bitbroosher
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posted 23 April 2003 09:53 AM EDT (US)     30 / 109       
Hi all,

I agree with Hades27 in:

Quote:


Sets animals arent free at all. Set will have to sacrifice favor for animals, therefore he has to sacrifice some Favor-cost Techs and Myth Units (if he goes heavy on Animals).


But did you guys know that converting an animal costs food? Yes, food... and I'm not crazy.
When you convert an animal, It loses 25% of the food that would provide, and that is alot of food. An elephant that could have 750, after conversion have only 563 food.

So an army of animals are not free. Summoned animals cost favor (so you won't get MU nor MT), and converted animals takes time to convert and loses food if you are going to eat them. Plus that Feral takes TC Time.

Regards,
bitbroosher.

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