I have a friend who is 168+ with Oranos.
It surprised me to notice that he doesn't research HD. It seems that he thinks this helps him to advance faster because he doesn't need gather wood/gold for temple, so he puts more vills to food. I'm not an Attie player, but well, it surprises me. But he macro his villies to adapt from a "let's advance fast to classical" configuration to a "let's produce many turmas and some murms" configuration.
He advances between 4:30 and 5:00 on land maps.
I couldn't stop him yet with Odin, as I also advance between 4:30 and 5:00. The fact is that I don't even have time to get enough mil units to push him back, and he'll keep pressure on me. I'm always stuck in a defensive position, and none of my vills can leave TC protection without being harassed. I'm stuck at home, while he can expand...
Next time, I'll try to harass his vill(s) building (counter)barracks near my TC with a 2nd Ulf to delay his mil production, and I'll go Heimdall with as many Einherjars as possible. Also, a mix of Ulfs, RC, and Hersirs for me as Hersirs are needed to do fine VS a murm/kata + cherio combo.
[This message has been edited by U977 (edited 07-06-2005 @ 10:49 AM).]