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lokiodin
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 02:50 PM EDT (US)         
What is the best water mu? And how do you counter them?
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Squeoo
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 02:52 PM EDT (US)     1 / 17       
kraken, and the best counter is to finish them off before they hit heroic...

go hard in classical with arrow ships and finish them fast, or make 3 arrow ships stay on defense, and rush to heroic, bring in a few crush ships with hammer ship backup...

those IMO are the best ways.
lokiodin
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 02:56 PM EDT (US)     2 / 17       
How do you counter water myth units with no water myth units?
Sam_Ham
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 02:59 PM EDT (US)     3 / 17       
heroic fleet, hammer ships


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tell tales of evil bad wolves.
Because if there is nothing to fear,
they might think for themselves.
Squeoo
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 03:06 PM EDT (US)     4 / 17       
is heroic fleet worth it sam_ham??

i normally don't play water maps where anyone goes heavy MU, except scylla spam on med...

and normally i counter their MU with MU..
Kang_the_Mad
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 03:07 PM EDT (US)     5 / 17       
I would say that Scylla might be better than Kraken due to the fact that they cost gold, and food is the most intensive resource for a myth unit to cost
LightmareNikita
Banned
posted 12 July 2007 03:07 PM EDT (US)     6 / 17       
Well, FH scylla Spam, the Argo owns water in mythic, but that's for possy

Also, perhaps the kraken is the strongest, but it costs 300 food 25 favor, while a scylla is 200 gold 15 favor, and trust me, with 5 heads, the scylla is the BEST WATER MYTH UNIT

[This message has been edited by LightmareNikita (edited 07-12-2007 @ 03:08 PM).]

Kang_the_Mad
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 03:14 PM EDT (US)     7 / 17       
Scylla usually don't get 5 heads, but I agree that the low favor cost, the Greeks ability to control their own favor, very fast training time as well as the previously stated gold cost. But, the Argo sucks because water battles never lasts till mythic in 1 vs 1. Maybe in team games
Squeoo
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 03:15 PM EDT (US)     8 / 17       
i disagree completely on 5 heads making the scylla better..

think about it in terms of usage, not who would beat who 1 on 1.

A kraken has a special attack that hits multiple units together, and i sure hope you won't be fighting just 1 unit, or else you are in some very lowly rated games, or they really just don't want water...

when you make scylla if you are full scylla spam, then you will have each being hit altogether by the kraken, and the longboat backup which is sure to be there...

also, 3 scylla vs 3 kraken i am about 85% sure the kraken would win...

1 on 1, scylla is good, but 1 on 1 is not a realistic situation, in my opinion that is.
a_game_a_win
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 04:25 PM EDT (US)     9 / 17       
Nereid are the best water MU. They have a 7x bonus vs. other MU and their special attack does double damage (so they would do 50 hack) every 15 secs.

I did a test and A nereid special nearly one hit kills a Scylla. It can almost win 1v2 scyllas.

They don't have great armor (30% hack, 50% pierce), but they are very cheap (200 gold, 15 favor). Only problem is that you have to go through Hyperion for them.

With this in mind, it makes me think Nereids are pure unit killers and not much of dock killers.
Squeoo
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 04:33 PM EDT (US)     10 / 17       
hmm they'd be best 1 on 1, i'm still debating the who is better usagewise though. lol.

i still vote kraken.. especially considering longboats>all other arrow ships.
Jambre
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 04:53 PM EDT (US)     11 / 17       
well actually FU funeral barge kebinets beat FU arctic gale long serpent longboats but its unlikely you will get this fight and longboats are better vs other ships anyway
pcgamer7070
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 06:53 PM EDT (US)     12 / 17       
Leviathans are pretty good.

btw can anyone tell me why u never c alot of jormund elvers?
lokiodin
Mortal
posted 12 July 2007 07:22 PM EDT (US)     13 / 17       
If I have to Leviathin, I will use it to transport units. I say that the Kraken is the best practicly, I don't have Titan's Expansion, so I don't know what the Neriod does, but one on one, the Neriod would win, based on this sites descriptions.
DeathAndPain
Mortal
posted 13 July 2007 04:04 AM EDT (US)     14 / 17       
is heroic fleet worth it sam_ham??
Yes, it definitely is. With it even arrow ships can fight water myth. However, when you are in heroic age, too, then hammer ships with heroic fleet are your best bet, and they can easily destroy any water myth.
i normally don't play water maps where anyone goes heavy MU, except scylla spam on med...
On Medi you can expect it from any god who has access to water myth. For instance, Odin will often try to kraken you. Eggy will use leviathans. All those water myth can drive you off the water - unless you are playing the TT expansion and research Heroic Fleet in time.
btw can anyone tell me why u never c alot of jormund elvers?
Because they are not available before mythic age, and by mythic, water battle plays only a reduced role. Except for siege vessels, which are not very vulnerable to pierce damage. Also, by mythic age anyone can afford Heroic Fleet, so the jormund elvers are easy to counter. I agree they are still good units and have their use, but in mythic age priorities are simply different ones.

Also, in order to get jormund elvers you need to go Tyr, which is a rather crappy mythic age god and viable only for Loki (who rarely reaches mythic age), or for a Thor that wants to use FW without having it countered by something like ceasefire. So Tyr is rarely chosen by good players, meaning that you will rarely get to see his water myth.

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AdZyZ
Mortal
posted 13 July 2007 08:35 AM EDT (US)     15 / 17       
Even when the opponent has ceasefire, sometimes I still go Baldr as thor.

Generally when ragnarok is used, and you suddenly throw this massive army into your opponent, they use ceasefire, meaning you can use FW right after..

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WNxHellsRavage
Mortal
posted 14 July 2007 05:24 PM EDT (US)     16 / 17       
Frazio21
Mortal
posted 16 July 2007 05:25 AM EDT (US)     17 / 17       
Kraken. Their ability to sink ships as a special attack is truly amazing. And to counter them, your best bet will be Heroic Fleet or The Argo.

~Frazio
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