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Topic Subject:Colossus, aren't that good
BlackSun88
Banned
posted 25 July 2007 05:11 PM EDT (US)         
Here's some fun tests


1 colossus vs. One avenger

Avenger wins



4 colossus vs 4 Avengers

3 Avengers Win, All colossus dead



10 Colossus vs. 10 Avengers

9 FREAKING AVENGERS LEFT



Just when you thought colossus were good, avengers blow them out of the water.
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Holy Diver
Mortal
posted 25 July 2007 05:15 PM EDT (US)     1 / 28       
Hence the crush attack, not hack attack.

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LightmareNikita
Banned
posted 25 July 2007 05:31 PM EDT (US)     2 / 28       
Uhh, what are you a noob?

Lets do this test:

1 hippokin vs. one toxete

Hippokin wins, OMFG, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN???

2 hippokins vs. 2 toxetes,

Hippokins win, WHAT??? THERE MUST BE A MISTAKE.

Avengers clearly have a hgiher bonus to myth units and are unit kilelrs, collosus are mostly building kilelrs and meat shields
Shanks13
Rogue Agent
posted 25 July 2007 05:33 PM EDT (US)     3 / 28       
Avengers have a bonus against MUs I think. What was the pathing like? You also have to take specials into account.

LightmareNikita
Banned
posted 25 July 2007 05:45 PM EDT (US)     4 / 28       
Exactly, Shanks is correct
Caboose_Nor
Mortal
posted 25 July 2007 05:58 PM EDT (US)     5 / 28       
Try 10 avengers vs 10 forts. Then try 10 collosus vs 10 forts ;D
Thebean
Mortal
posted 25 July 2007 06:25 PM EDT (US)     6 / 28       
If you're going to test any unit, do it against more than one different unit please.

Avengers do indeed have a bonus against MUs, either 4x or 6x. Either way, it's a little known fact.

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Ubermode
Mortal
posted 25 July 2007 07:58 PM EDT (US)     7 / 28       
its 4X
Shanks13
Rogue Agent
posted 25 July 2007 09:56 PM EDT (US)     8 / 28       
The things you learn from perusing guides late at night

yoma
Banned
posted 25 July 2007 11:44 PM EDT (US)     9 / 28       
lol, her's another fact. trolls have a bonus vs. MU, and everytime they throw a rock, they get back some hp.

do cents have a bonus vs. MU too?
Phaethon180
Mortal
posted 25 July 2007 11:54 PM EDT (US)     10 / 28       
Centaurs get bonuses against other MU's. In my opinion, they are extremely weak against heroes, and unmassed, they are susceptible to units fairly easy. I learned how much hell centaurs massed can give one and his life due to Collossus and my first hand experience.

Thanks.

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ricownage
Mortal
posted 26 July 2007 01:01 AM EDT (US)     11 / 28       
Funny your name is Colossus

But try collosus vs buildings
BlackSun88
Banned
posted 26 July 2007 02:28 AM EDT (US)     12 / 28       
Uhh, what are you a noob?

Lets do this test:

1 hippokin vs. one toxete

Hippokin wins, OMFG, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN???

2 hippokins vs. 2 toxetes,

Hippokins win, WHAT??? THERE MUST BE A MISTAKE.

Avengers clearly have a hgiher bonus to myth units and are unit kilelrs, collosus are mostly building kilelrs and meat shields






Rofl. I annoyed you in the possy thread and this thread. I play Zeus which u think is inferior to possy. I WANT TO PLAY YOU SO BAD. ^^
LightmareNikita
Banned
posted 26 July 2007 08:52 AM EDT (US)     13 / 28       
I don't think Zeus is inferior to POseidon, i'm saying Poseidon can handle eggies better than zeus and we all know eggies are our worst enemy.
TTK_GeneralNoob
Mortal
posted 26 July 2007 09:25 AM EDT (US)     14 / 28       
Have you ever played Eggy and tried massing avengers? Not the easiest thing to do with your crappy monuments. (you need to spam midgols and get expensive favour techs *cry*) Collosus are much much more spammable :S

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-Wartrain.

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VB_WhiplashJC
Mortal
posted 26 July 2007 09:25 PM EDT (US)     15 / 28       
yeah it must be tough building monuments that block gps boo, i really feel for you. my shoulder's here if u need it.

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DragonQ
SC2H Seraph
posted 26 July 2007 10:16 PM EDT (US)     16 / 28       
He didn't say Isis, he said Egypt. I think once you have all 5 monuments up it's quite easy to mass MUs. Sure you can't create a huge number of them, but replacing the 4 Petsuchos you have in your army isn't difficult at all.

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Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me...
MythicRuler
Mortal
posted 27 July 2007 00:05 AM EDT (US)     17 / 28       
I play eggy, and there are techs that help speed up monument gathering-also, while playing ra just throw priests at the monuments, and at the monument to Gods throw a pharaoh at it. You get favor much faster.

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VB_WhiplashJC
Mortal
posted 27 July 2007 01:41 AM EDT (US)     18 / 28       
he might not have said isis, but he plays isis.

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DragonQ
SC2H Seraph
posted 27 July 2007 06:58 AM EDT (US)     19 / 28       
So? That doesn't relate to his point whatsoever. Stop whinging.

Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me.
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me...
VB_WhiplashJC
Mortal
posted 27 July 2007 07:12 AM EDT (US)     20 / 28       
yes it does, he was speaking from experience. i wasnt whinging, he was.

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DragonQ
SC2H Seraph
posted 27 July 2007 07:16 AM EDT (US)     21 / 28       
The fact that Isis' monuments block GPs has nothing to do with the point he was making - how it's difficult to mass MUs as Egypt (not as hard as Atlantean though).

Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me.
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me...
a_game_a_win
Mortal
posted 27 July 2007 07:41 AM EDT (US)     22 / 28       
if you get 5 monuments, favor income is pretty decent but that is super expensive too.
praetorian guard
Mortal
posted 27 July 2007 09:11 AM EDT (US)     23 / 28       
but getting back to the original point: Colossi may be lousy unit killers, but they are usually hard to kill themselves and dont always fight units with a 6x bonus on them. Also, they can eat trees and gold, so in a multiple unit battle, a colossi can just eat a tree and then rejoin the fight.

Somehow, through forces not fully understood by man, this thread will suddenly turn into the center of a new black hole.
MagmaLord
Mortal
(id: darkdude)
posted 27 July 2007 02:15 PM EDT (US)     24 / 28       
and at the monument to Gods throw a pharaoh at it. You get favor much faster.
No. Monument to villagers is the fastest favor producer last time I checked. And empowering even that is not worth it.

DragonQ
SC2H Seraph
posted 27 July 2007 02:59 PM EDT (US)     25 / 28       
No, in order from fastest favour to slowest favour:

Monument to Gods
Monument to Villagers
Monument to Pharaohs
Monument to Priests
Monument to Soldiers

Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me.
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.
But you can't take the sky from me...
TTK_GeneralNoob
Mortal
posted 27 July 2007 06:48 PM EDT (US)     26 / 28       
There seems to be discrepancy on the fastest favour gathering monument... ES says it's the Monument to the Villagers and Xentelian says it's the Monument to the Gods.

"The next turn I attacked those that had been attatched, fiendishly fracturing the friendly faction fraction"
-Wartrain.

"Why not do the exciting thing and sit back, boom to a rag and use flaming weapons? - Who would have thought a Thor player could show this level of innovation?"
-Vagabond Tom.

igotskillz
Mortal
posted 27 July 2007 07:05 PM EDT (US)     27 / 28       
Here's some fun tests
I have a test!

Osiris vs hoplite

guess who wins


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Caboose_Nor
Mortal
posted 27 July 2007 07:13 PM EDT (US)     28 / 28       
Yeah, in the updated ingame help info (written by xentelian) it says that mon to villagers gather 0.1 favor /s and mon to gods gather 0.108 /s. These numbers are extracted from the game's own files. Where does ES say anything else?

[This message has been edited by Caboose_Nor (edited 07-27-2007 @ 07:14 PM).]

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