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Topic Subject:Chieros against buildings
the_peel
Mortal
posted 09 October 2008 04:09 PM EDT (US)         
Hi there! I have been playing AOMTT for a few weeks now with some friends (co-op against computer). I use Kronos. I keep reading that Chieros are good against buildings. However, when I look up the stats on the Chieros, they do pierce damage with no bonuses against buildings. Also, most buildings have a 96% armor against pierce attacks, which should make the chieros pretty much useless against buildings. Why is there a general view that they are good against buildings?
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Shanks13
Rogue Agent
posted 09 October 2008 04:36 PM EDT (US)     1 / 9       
Because the general view likes to lie to you. Cherios are technically siege units, but the sad truth is that they cannot do the job. You'd be much better off using another unit, like Prometheans or something.

Braza
Mortal
posted 09 October 2008 05:22 PM EDT (US)     2 / 9       
It states at unit info that they do decent against buildings. From experience I know that they do. Decent.. not good

One of the reasons might be that they shoot a bunch of arrows, fired at units most of them will miss. As buildings dont move and are big and easy to hit they do a decent damage.
VB_WhiplashJC
Mortal
posted 09 October 2008 09:20 PM EDT (US)     3 / 9       
they do pretty well once you have burning pitch.

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Super_Jesus
Mortal
posted 09 October 2008 09:46 PM EDT (US)     4 / 9       
I remember one of the guides made about the various siege said something about how the Burning Pitch upgrade had only a graphical effect on Chieros...

>__>
the_peel
Mortal
posted 09 October 2008 11:27 PM EDT (US)     5 / 9       
I had some time to run a quick test. I set up a scenario with a single manor in the middle of the map.

First I put a set of 10 turma to take down the manor. It took 1 min. 30 sec..

Next I put a set of 5 chieros against the manor. It took 45 sec..

Lastly I put a set of 3 prometheans. It took less than 30 seconds.

I think I'll use prometheans to tackle the buildings during classical instead of chieros. IMO, chieros seem too expensive with limited value.
Nirwanda
Mortal
posted 09 October 2008 11:34 PM EDT (US)     6 / 9       
Minimum damage for ONE arrow is 1 damage. Doesn't matter if the building has 99% pierce armor.

That explains it.
the_peel
Mortal
posted 09 October 2008 11:42 PM EDT (US)     7 / 9       
Nirwanda: thanks for clarifying. Regardless, the Chieros are still very slow to take down a building.

A correction on my prev post: 3 prometheans can take down the single manor in about 13 seconds (quite fast!).
YunSun
Mortal
posted 10 October 2008 02:25 AM EDT (US)     8 / 9       
Chieroballistas are decent vs buildings with burning pitch..
but they shouldnt be used to destroy buildings, they should focus on countering infantry
and about the general view it is probably that they are classified as a siege weapon they put it is effective vs buildings
DeathAndPain
Mortal
posted 10 October 2008 02:39 AM EDT (US)     9 / 9       
Not much of a surprise, seeing that the proms do crush damage and are even myth units. But I do not think it is fair to call a regular unit bad just because it does not compare to a myth unit stats-wise. Myth units are supposed to be stronger than human units, with the exception of heroes.

The other aspect is range. Yes, proms do the job faster, but they need to move right up to the building. Like all melee units, they get pathing problems, and only so many proms can fit around a building and attack. Ranged units like cheiros can focus-fire. Cheiros are slow, but at least they get no pathing problems. And with their pierce armor of 50% they can well afford to attack from within tower range until the tower is done.
Minimum damage for ONE arrow is 1 damage. Doesn't matter if the building has 99% pierce armor.
Exactly. Effectively this is equivalent to an unupgraded cheiro enjoying a 5x multiplier vs buildings.

So yes, cheiros are good vs buildings. Other siege is even better, yes, but other siege is not available in classical age. To no race (although there are some other classical units that can be used against buildings, such as Proms).

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