ABallIsDropped
Mortal
posted 20 February 2009 07:12 PM EDT (US)
how do i counter forseti/bragi bs? He has full pop army of HoT hersir + boars + FW at 13 mins or so.
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 20 February 2009 10:22 PM
EDT (US)
3 / 15
Exactly, which is why option #1 is much better but sometimes you simply cannot do this (Savannah being one of the main culprits here). Maybe I was not specific enough, but in option #1 you shouldn't be making massed axemen, just enough to get by and repel Loki raids a bit easier as his main goal is to not lose any Hersir whilst damaging your economy worse than his own and getting a decent heroic time to do BB bs. With the few axemen it forces his hersirs to remain just raids and not quite reach the scale of an attack. You are still able to get a pretty good heroic time (sub 9:00) but you have to be aggressive in an Isis fh vs Loki, you simply cannot 2-3 TC boom with mass trade under these circumstances and expect it to be as effective as it would vs a 2 TC hades or in a similar situation.
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 21 February 2009 08:28 AM
EDT (US)
5 / 15
Doesn't sound too bad...but I'm sure if it can be thought of somebody has done it. Loki FM would be just as deadly however if he realized what you were doing. Nonetheless, your FM through Osiris would still give you the edge I believe.
That is one of the annoying things about Forseti HR bs is that you can do it so blindly, get it to work on every land map so effectively with a littl bit of skill that I find it can be even easier than Isis FH in terms of win%. You can have a 1750 Loki HR a 1900-1950 Eggy/Greek and still have quite a high chance of coming out on top.
Eddy_Current
Mortal
posted 21 February 2009 05:57 PM
EDT (US)
6 / 15
Hersirraid is strong, no doubt, but 1800 Ra/Set players beat a 1750 hersirraid pretty easy on most maps. Isis has more trouble because lack of Ptah.
Whats Isis best bet?
High food + safe 2nd gold => FM
Low food => Anubis cf
High food => 5 min Bast, small priestspam (~ 6-8) for defense, 8 min Heroic with ~10 axes. 2 walled up migs at outside gold, ca spam, ...
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 21 February 2009 08:16 PM
EDT (US)
7 / 15
That last option you mentioned is exactly what I meant, just more condensed. Thanks for simplifying.
NorseBash
Mortal
posted 23 February 2009 09:16 PM
EDT (US)
11 / 15
make few axe + 2nd tc/ secure 2nd gold mine then heroic and then ca spam. Be very aware of ur own vills, make his favor gain minimal and dont let him attack stray granaries, jus delete them. Waterhole/ marsh is very easy to defend, jus go straight fh and make maybe 5 or so axemen and preist if hes overwhelming. be sure to wall sides off in archaic age. On maps like savannah, could get close to impossible. Only bet would be classic fight all the way! Eggy classic armys do pretty well vs norse.