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That AoM Guy
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posted 07 October 2018 05:20 PM EDT (US)         
Well that's it, this thread has reached its expiration date.

The winner of the best relic goes to

Kithara of Apollo
(Villagers move 10% faster)

It seemed inevitable that a relic affecting villagers would win. Some other ones achieved a decent amount of points but this relic blew the competition out of the water. Speed is of the essence in any game, and it seems fitting that a relic involving that would win, especially one affecting economy.

2nd place: Scarab Pendant (Siege damage multiplier against buildings increased by 1, effectively doubling attack)

3rd: Oseburg Wagon (Caravans cost 25% less and move 15% faster)

Relics which we don't even bother getting:
Harter's Folly (Scouting units have 2 more LOS)
Gaia's Book of Knowledge (Infantry do 300% more damage against Titans)

Game Over!

Feel free to comment with any opinions on the results.





Hey gang,

This is a Hurt/Heal game, and if you haven't played it before, all you need to do is tell me which relics you want to give positive or negative points to (good or bad).

You can only hurt/heal up to 5 relics at a time, adding or subtracting up to 3 points each, however the total amount of points you're either adding or subtracting cannot exceed 8. You can post your negative and positives in the same post, like this:

-3 A Pair of Golden Lions
+1 Catoblepas' Scales
+1 Fetters of Fenrir
-1 Khopesh of Horus
+2 Harter's Folly

You are only allowed to post again after 2 other people have posted theirs after you. Feel free to persuade others to change their mind.

Relics are eliminated at -10. The game keeps going until we are either left with one relic, a relic has obviously won because of a huge number, or the thread becomes inactive.


The tally:

A Pair of Golden Lions: 1
Ankh of Ra: 0
Anvil of Hephaestus: 0
Armor of Achilles: 0
Arrows of the Alfar: 0
Black Lotus: 2
Blanket of Empress Zoe: 2
Boots of Kick Everything: 1
Bow of Artemis: 2
Bridle of Pegasus: 0
Buhen Flagstone: 0
Canopic Jar of Imsety: 1
Catoblepas' Scales: 0
Dwarven Calipers: 0
Eye of Horus: 4
Eye of Ornlu: 0
Fetters of Fenrir: 4
Gaia's Book of Knowledge: -4
Girdle of Hippolyta: 0
Harmonia's Necklace: 0
Harter's Folly: -10
Head of Orpheus: 2
Hera's Thundercloud Shawl: -1
Khopesh of Horus: 0
Kithara of Apollo: 10
Mithril Horseshoes: 5
Monkey's Head: 0
Nose of the Sphinx: 3
Odin's Spear: 0
Odin's Wand/Wand of Gambantein: 0
Oseburg Wagon: 6
Pandora's Box: 0
Pelt of Argus: 2
Pygmalion's Statue: 5
Ring of the Nibelung: 4
Scarab Pendant: 8
Shard of Blue Crystal: 3
Shingles of Steel: 0
Ship of Fingernails: 5
Sistrum of Bast: 1
Staff of Dionysus: 2
Tail of the Cerberus: 1
Titans Treasure: 0
Toothed Arrows: 0
Tower of Sestus: 0
Trios Bow: 2
Trojan Gate Hinge: 0
Tusk of the Iron Boar: 2
Wedjat Eye: 0

You can still go negative even if it's at 0.

All the relics, their descriptions, and some extra strategy-related information can be found here:
http://aom.heavengames.com/gameinfo/relics/page2

We are not counting special campaign relics or alpha/beta relics.

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[This message has been edited by TAG (edited 01-15-2019 @ 09:59 PM).]

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Legendary Raider
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(id: avaget)
posted 08 October 2018 01:12 AM EDT (US)     1 / 25       
nice! I was just reading a similar topic from years ago yesterday about a minor god or godpower or somesuch..

let's see here, I vote..
Kithara of Apollo +2
Scarab Pendant +2
Pygmalion's Statue +1

Harter's Folly -1
Gaia's Book of Knowledge -1

Harter's Folly only becomes useful with odin's ulfsark raiding and Gaia's Book of Knowledge is only useful for zeus using mymidons vs a titan (in addition to beastslayer)

[This message has been edited by Legendary Raider (edited 10-08-2018 @ 08:27 AM).]

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posted 08 October 2018 12:36 PM EDT (US)     2 / 25       
posted

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scragins
Heretic of December
posted 09 October 2018 04:35 AM EDT (US)     3 / 25       
Donít things usually start at a given value and the get removed when they reach 0?

Mithril Horseshoes +3
Ring if the Nibelung +2
Shard of Blie Crystal +3
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That AoM Guy
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posted 09 October 2018 08:57 AM EDT (US)     4 / 25       
posted

I guess I could improvise

...and I'll do mine:

Kithara of Apollo +3
Fetters of Fenrir +3
Head of Orpheus +1
Gaia's Book of Knowledge -1

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[This message has been edited by TAG (edited 10-09-2018 @ 12:27 PM).]

Birkaland
Mortal
posted 10 October 2018 11:16 AM EDT (US)     5 / 25       
Harter's Folly -3
Pelt of Argus 1
Eye of Horus 1
Pygmalion's Statue 1
Scarab Pendant 2

[This message has been edited by Birkaland (edited 10-10-2018 @ 11:17 AM).]

Izalith
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posted 11 October 2018 05:51 AM EDT (US)     6 / 25       
Black Lotus +1
Harter'S Folly -1
Kithara of Apollo +1
Oseburg Wagon +2
Scarab Pendant +2
Staff of Dionysos: +1


remove at -10 or something to get some elimination going ? So we don't waste points forever on Harter's Folly. It just get's top of the "worst relics" list place then.

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[This message has been edited by Izalith (edited 10-11-2018 @ 05:52 AM).]

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That AoM Guy
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posted 14 October 2018 10:31 AM EDT (US)     7 / 25       
Sure. Before I can count yours though it has to be a maximum of 5 relics.

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Izalith
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posted 14 October 2018 03:09 PM EDT (US)     8 / 25       


Black Lotus +1
Kithara of Apollo +1
Oseburg Wagon +3
Scarab Pendant +2
Staff of Dionysos: +1

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That AoM Guy
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posted 14 October 2018 07:32 PM EDT (US)     9 / 25       
Updated.

Here's mine again:

Harter's Folly -3
Kithara of Apollo +3
Ship of Fingernails +2

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Legendary Raider
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posted 14 October 2018 10:59 PM EDT (US)     10 / 25       
seeing as I can post again, here's the rest of the relics I wanted to include:

+3 Eye of Horus
+2 Blanket of Empress Zoe
+1 Hera's Thundercloud Shawl
+1 Pelt of Argus
+1 Ship of Fingernails

Blanket of Empress Zoe is basically an another building upgrade but only for crush - most likely type of damage to actually threaten buildings

Hera's Thundercloud Shawl is different from the other +5% relics in what it applies to all human soldiers, not just counter-infantry, archers or cavalry
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posted 15 October 2018 01:54 AM EDT (US)     11 / 25       
Tail of Cerberus: +1
Gaia's Book of Knowledge: -2
Ring of the Nibelung: +2
Sistrum of Bast: +1
Ship of Fingernails: +2

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posted 17 October 2018 07:59 PM EDT (US)     12 / 25       
updated

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posted 21 October 2018 07:35 PM EDT (US)     13 / 25       
A Pair of Golden Lions +1
Canopic Jar of Imsety +1
Nose of the Sphinx +2
Trios Bow +1
Pygmalion's Statue +3

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Izalith
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posted 21 October 2018 08:15 PM EDT (US)     14 / 25       
Since I've not been persuaded to change up anything, I just copy what I did before?


Black Lotus +1
Kithara of Apollo +1
Oseburg Wagon +3
Scarab Pendant +2
Staff of Dionysos: +1


From Mista I learned that Scarab Pendant is nuts. Double the attack on a unit is actually better than Flaming Weapons. Basically doubles the amount of siege you send in.

Also there is the caravan relic, somewhat lategamy this relic was able to win games. Or so I've been told.

And finally some Black Lotus/Kithara/Staff upgrades for farming and overall villager efficiency.

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posted 21 October 2018 10:43 PM EDT (US)     15 / 25       
updated.

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posted 22 October 2018 11:12 AM EDT (US)     16 / 25       
my final batch of relics I wanted to include from the
beginning, as follows:

+2 Bow of Artemis
+2 Tusk of the Iron Boar
+2 Mithril Horseshoes
+1 Nose of the Sphinx
+1 Trios Bow

Bow of Artemis makes Throwing Axemen cheaper on EE version of
aom as well, but even on original it's a great relic (even
factoring in limited usefulness for norse)
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posted 22 October 2018 07:15 PM EDT (US)     17 / 25       
updated again

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posted 27 October 2018 02:02 PM EDT (US)     18 / 25       
Harter's Folly: -3
Head of Orpheus: +1
Hera's Thundercloud Shawl: -2
Boots of Kick Everything: +1
Fetters of Fenrir: +1

Harter's Folly is out of the game

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[This message has been edited by TAG (edited 10-28-2018 @ 12:38 PM).]

Legendary Raider
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posted 27 October 2018 04:02 PM EDT (US)     19 / 25       
Catoblepas' Scales is not that bad of a relic, namely in
titan on titan fight it's useful, but also myth unit on
myth unit - so overall the relic be more useful than a good number
of other relics
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That AoM Guy
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posted 28 October 2018 08:44 AM EDT (US)     20 / 25       
Not all myth units have crush so this doesnt apply to every myth unit attacking yours, and they're too busy attacking buildings and other units most of the time. Titan on titan is best use in my opinion but that's if a game goes that far. This relic has very narrow uses.

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posted 28 October 2018 12:23 PM EDT (US)     21 / 25       


titan crush armour goes from 89% to 91% and it's enough to
change greek titan losing with egypt having 271 hp or so left
in the previous test to greek titan winning with almost a
1000 hp left. not the best relic.. but as stated before more
useful than several other relics
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posted 28 October 2018 12:39 PM EDT (US)     22 / 25       
wow okay, I edited (which you can do by the way, because I end up retallying at the end anyway.)

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posted 11 November 2018 03:15 PM EDT (US)     23 / 25       
Game Over, verdict has been posted

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posted 11 November 2018 03:24 PM EDT (US)     24 / 25       
Oseburg Wagon came out overrated just as I suspected.. sure it helps
trade but how many games go into heavy trade zone? where as eye of
horus gives
you effective +6 caravans/villagers/3 military units if you have 3 tc
(for +2 bonus on each tc) and helps from archaic by delaying you being
housed, or nose of the sphynx softens earthquake and.. just many other
relics more deserving that that one
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That AoM Guy
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posted 15 January 2019 10:01 PM EDT (US)     25 / 25       
So it seems Kithara of Apollo was wrong, both in the relic guide and here. The number is 10%, not 20%. It's been corrected.

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