Mokon, I know you're a mostly-Poseidon player, while I play Thor almost exclusively, so of course we're both biased. Your major point seems to be that Hippikons being "strong greek units" should beat RC, but actually RC beat Hippikons pop-effectively. As you might know, the overall 1on1 melee combat power of a unit could be calculated by determining the so called Total Attack Points (TAP). With those, RC and Hips can be correctly compared. Here are the numbers: TAP of RC: HP/(1-hack armour)*attack = 988.2 TAP of Hips: HP/(1-hack armour)*attack = 1666.7 Unfortunately, concerning pop effectiveness, we can't compare the two just by dividing TAP by pop cost. However, Saverok's formula estimates how many times a unit's TAP needs to be better, to be still pop efficient, depending on the pop ratio of the two units. In our case, Hips need to be at least 1.875 times stronger, taking 1.5 times of pop. In other words, pop effectivlely, RC have a TAP of 988.2*1.875 = 1852.9 compared to Hips. So, RC that use the same pop space as hips are indeed a little stronger, but only about 10%. As Hips need 1.5 times more pop space, you will need 1.5 times RC res cost to compare RC and Hips that use the same amount of pop space. RC: 40 food / 50 gold Hips: 40 food / 80 gold So, effectively, RC cost 50% more food and 6.25% less gold than regular Hips. RC cost ~66.7% more food and ~4.2% more gold than Poseidon's Hips. Considering that in classic age, when these units play their major role, food is likely to be more important than gold, Hips have a huge advantage in cost effectiveness here, Possy's even more than regular Hips. What do you think? Kademas
I realize you strive to get my RC nerfed to 10% hack since a while and I'll hereby try to hamper your effort a little.
First, I'd like to have a closer look on that and I will use a lot of number to do so. Furthermore, I will use some formulae, that were mentioned, explained or invented by Saverok and/or Archaeopterix a while ago. Unless I'm asked, I won't go much further into this.
Second, on cost effectiveness:
*1.5 = 60 food / 75 gold
Possy Hips: 36 food / 72 gold
To sum up:
Hippikon should be stronger than RC? They are. They beat RC by far in 1on1 and cost effectively. I don't see why RC need a nerf to make them lose their small advantage in pop efficiency. Besides, RC would be too weak vs other units like TA, plus, norse civs would become too weak in classic age.