Hoplites beat turma, no one can micor turmas like that, and cheirobalista are hard to micro with slow speed and rate of fire.
of course turma's beat tox, but hop and tox work better than turma and murm.
On your terms there, if he has hero's you can micro them away from them, and just kill them with human troops.
Trying to micro on those two super effective hero's while your army kills everything else.
Of course raiding kills econ, that is why it is there, and raiding isn't easy when the other player does something about it.
Stymphalian birds die to anything ranged and are incredibly slow making it easy to get hero or any ranged units over there before they do any damage.
I have had no trouble with those birds.
Shockwave is too indirect to make such an comparison.
Most likly there are more good oranos players copying each other than there is greek players.
and in the end, you sound like an unconstructive moron who can't win against Oranos.
I play zeus, I never have a problem with turmas. A 5 minute advancement is easy and still okay for economy. I have 8 food, 5 wood, 3 gold, and 1 favor at advancement. I get jason after advancement for any prometheans. I immedietly have one Academy built, auto que hops. I can get about 4 more food, and then a couple gold, and then lot's of wood, all the time adding one more academy and archery. Set all three to autoque. I don't build any myth units yet. stop his attack, and if you got his counterrax out quickly, he won't have enough cheiro's to stop you from taking out his base with hops. Again, turma's have absolutly no way to take out hops. If you are having too much trouble with there attack and raiding, upgrade your towers. Jason and Oddyseus should waste those weak prometheans(always build them, because they also take care of human units. Allways build jason, odyseus, and Bellepheron whenever you can, Pass up heracles unless you really need the another hero or can afford it.) If you kill their units early enough, you can start to take out buildings even with a few units, and as long as you avoid arrow fire, you will have enough of a number advantage to take out the rest of his base as long as you just keep building hops. If you have taken athena, take extra upgrades over minotaur. Raidng is much less a priority. Instead take out buildings with hops.
Just my help.
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