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Topic Subject:An in depth look in to the upgrades of Titans
Out Reach
Mortal
(id: newreach268)
posted 19 May 2005 05:24 AM EDT (US)         

If you're a player who plays alot of games which go into Mythic you will defenitly Hate or Love the Titan unit. but what makes It so powerful? well I have run some tests and will now try to discover which of the Upgrades for the titan unit is the best.

so lets start with the basics. the titans stats:

Health: 7000
speed: 3.75
Population: 20
Armour crush: 89%
Armour Hack: 89%
armour pierce: 94%
crush damage: 70%
bonus damage: human units + buildings
counter: heroes

now lets start with basic fights, unmodified titans fightinng.
in the case of greek,egyption and atlantian the outcome is a draw, both kill each other at exsactly the same time.
but the norse always wins unmodified combat. Most players will tell you why. in a titans attack animation the damage is delt at a certain point. the Norse titan does the damage earlyer than the others but the animation is still as long. this means in the final attack round they start with even health but the norse hits first, winning before, in the case of the other 3, a draw is caused by both killing each other at the same time. (obviously two norse draw).

now onto the tecnologies and god powers.
Contents
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1. Bolt
2. Bacchanalia
3. Monsterous rage
4. eclipse
5. Thurisaz rune
6. Einjaws
7. Mythic rejuvination

1- bolt

very simply if you have saved this you can do a nice 1250 damage to a titan.

2- Bacchanolia

this is where it gets intresting. the techology adds 5% extra health to all units so 7000 divided by 20 = 350 health woo hoo! but whats this? the titans health only goes up to 7349? wheres my extra 1 health! this is an outrage. simply put this would tend to hint the titans health is not 7000 but 6999.5 this is rounded up but now if added to 5% of that comes to less than the point 5 so rounds down. so that means a normal titan has 0.5 less health than you thought woo!

3- Monsterous rage

simple raises the titans attack by 17.5 oww!

4- eclipse

for a whole minute your titan is amune from meteor showers, lightning storms and bolt! but you also get a nice 35 extra crush (beats all titan combonations) 2% more hack armour and a huge speed upgade of 0.75! sadly its only a minute so not that useful if the enemy hasd two titans...

5- Thurisaz rune

Whatch you titan fly with that extra 0.5 speed! (note helpful if you fighting a atlantian player scrool down to mythic rejuvination and read)

6- Einjaws

after major experimentation i have come to the conclusion the horn of an einjaw is not a titan battle winning power.
first lets make it fair norse titan vs norse titan.
now lets add Mr. einjaw he blows his horn and the titans attack goes up! but only for one combat round. now allthough it goes up in the whole battle the bonus damage done to the other titan must be more than 1 attack round for the norse titan to win. sadly it is not. the bonus damage is around a 28 average (allthough it goes up higher does the titan attack when its at its highest? very unlikly) which happens around twice in the battle. saddly 28+28= 56 which is not more than 70 crush to be one attack round ahead. this means you need around 3 einjaws to win, which this late in the game for Norse will be better spent on giants.

7- Mythic rejuvination

this wont let your titan beet a norse titan without a lot of micro(retreating now and then to let health regenerate). even then if it has the Thurisaz rune it will be faster than you (thus catching so health wont really have regenerated dam!). however against the overs this can have two advantages. zeus will cast bolt automaticaly, however he will not oftern be attacking automatically. this means the extra damage done by bolt is cancelled out! also you win a normal fight (not against norse) with 84 health left! aslong as you can still run off some where safe for a while you will have a new titan in a few minutes!

Relics

there are also a few relics which upgrade titans:

Catoblepas' Scales
Myth units have 20% less crush vulnerability
this is very good as titans major weeknes is this. 20% is a large amount and this will definetly be a battle winner.
test info: a unupgraded greek titan with this relic beats an unupgraded NORSE titan with 699 health left! sadly for balancing issues it only gives a 2% increase in crush armour but this is all your titan needs.

Tail of the Cerberus
Myth unit special attacks take 25% less time to recharge
very good, the really powerful attack of the titan used to attack almost everything happens ALOT more. this will be a battle winner. This does not affect titan battles at all as titans dont attack each other with their special attack. But this is a very useful relic still as it will make your titan chew through the enemys base 25% faster.

other-
id also like to note gods like loki,kronus,gaia,isis,hermes and rheia all give a little bonus to the construction of a titan either lowering its cost,build time or simply providing a nice ceasfire!


well i hope this indepth look into the titan and its many upgrades has been interesting. please post any replys or queries.


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[This message has been edited by newreach268 (edited 05-20-2005 @ 05:31 AM).]

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Shiva
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posted 19 May 2005 08:29 AM EDT (US)     1 / 12       
Yes sir

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posted 19 May 2005 09:16 AM EDT (US)     2 / 12       
thanks a lot

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Reizil
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posted 19 May 2005 10:23 PM EDT (US)     3 / 12       
Nice idea, I never woulda thought to analyze titans and there upgrades. Definately a good read even if you might not classify it as useful info.

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Age_of_Jizzology
Mortal
posted 20 May 2005 00:58 AM EDT (US)     4 / 12       
you forgot the relic 'Scales of Catabolopos' or something like that. It increases all myth unit crush armor.
DeathAndPain
Mortal
posted 20 May 2005 02:22 AM EDT (US)     5 / 12       

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Definately a good read even if you might not classify it as useful info.


ROFL. But that describes it properly. Interesting but not really useful.

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Valor is the contempt of Death and Pain. (Tacitus)
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Mortal
(id: newreach268)
posted 20 May 2005 04:26 AM EDT (US)     6 / 12       
im sure someone will like it,
oh and thanks for the reminder I'll also add details of relics soon.

edit: ive found the guide to relics on AOMH but i can't find the new guide to the new relics from the extension pack help would be apreciated.


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cake0792
Mortal
posted 23 May 2005 06:24 PM EDT (US)     7 / 12       

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Einjaws

"Einherjar" prounounced ineheryar

DeathAndPain
Mortal
posted 24 May 2005 04:51 AM EDT (US)     8 / 12       
They are very effective against ulsurks, peltests, and cherios, but can be countered by heisers and pharoahs. Gestrephets can kill them from safe range.

It is pointless, cake. There is even a guide to the "Pharoah" on AoMH, so people do not even care for the spelling when they write a guide about a unit. I mentioned it, but the crowd cheered about how good the guide was and how unimportant the spelling. I guess it is wisest to let them rape their own language if so desired. BTW, the word "definitely" is one that I see misspelled "definately" more than 50% of the time. See my signature, heh


Darkness is a state of mind
Valor is the contempt of Death and Pain. (Tacitus)
Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. (Piet Hein)

[This message has been edited by DeathAndPain (edited 05-24-2005 @ 04:55 AM).]

Olli_Moriturus
Mortal
posted 24 May 2005 10:22 AM EDT (US)     9 / 12       
OMG u spelled everything wrong...
Sam_Ham
Mortal
posted 24 May 2005 05:16 PM EDT (US)     10 / 12       

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It is pointless, cake. There is even a guide to the "Pharoah" on AoMH, so people do not even care for the spelling when they write a guide about a unit. I mentioned it, but the crowd cheered about how good the guide was and how unimportant the spelling. I guess it is wisest to let them rape their own language if so desired. BTW, the word "definitely" is one that I see misspelled "definately" more than 50% of the time. See my signature, heh

I can understand your point of view but to be honset you just sound pompous here, it could possibly be that the person in question knows how to spell Pharaoh, but it was merely a typo, he only got two letters the wrong way round, after all.

I also think that the content of the guide is far more important than a typing error in the title, or, god forbid, someone not knowing how to spell the common word "Pharaoh" correctly (These people are often 12-15, and Pharaoh is an extremely difficult word to spell).

I enjoy using correct spelling and grammar on the internet, but please, let people spell definitely, separate, cemetery, a lot (it's two words people ), mischievous etc etc.. the way they want!

Ok, I typed way too much on that subject.



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Etendorf
Mortal
posted 24 May 2005 09:27 PM EDT (US)     11 / 12       

Quote:

Myth units have 20% less crush vulnerability
this is very good as titans major weeknes is this. 20% is a large amount and this will definetly be a battle winner.
test info: a unupgraded greek titan with this relic beats an unupgraded NORSE titan with 699 health left! sadly for balancing issues it only gives a 2% increase in crush armour but this is all your titan needs.

2% added to 89% is pretty much exactly 20% less crush armor vulnerablility.

Armour crush: 89%
100-89= 11
20% of 11 is 2.2
Titan gets ~2.2% more crush armor. A little different than what many usually think, but it still means it's pretty effective, as your test shows.


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DeathAndPain
Mortal
posted 25 May 2005 04:36 AM EDT (US)     12 / 12       

Quoted from Olli_Moriturus:

OMG u spelled everything wrong...


OMG you did not even have the idea that it might have been intentional in this case...

Quoted from Sam_Ham:

I can understand your point of view but to be honset you just sound pompous here, it could possibly be that the person in question knows how to spell Pharaoh, but it was merely a typo, he only got two letters the wrong way round, after all.


Trouble is, as you can easily imagine, the word "Pharaoh" appears pretty often in a guide to the Pharaoh. And he misspelled it all the time, including the headline. I would not have objected to it if he had just made a typo once.

Quoted from Sam_Ham:

I also think that the content of the guide is far more important than a typing error in the title, or, god forbid, someone not knowing how to spell the common word "Pharaoh" correctly (These people are often 12-15, and Pharaoh is an extremely difficult word to spell).


That is correct. However, before I start writing a guide to something, I would first make sure that I at least know how to spell it. (And finding out is more than easy; one look into the game suffices.)

Quoted from Sam_Ham:

I enjoy using correct spelling and grammar on the internet, but please, let people spell definitely, separate, cemetery, a lot (it's two words people ), mischievous etc etc.. the way they want!


I definately think that such people are not worth seperate graves on the cemetary where they will end up after alot of misschiefous people like me slaughtered them!

Darkness is a state of mind
Valor is the contempt of Death and Pain. (Tacitus)
Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. (Piet Hein)
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