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Fenrir Axebearer
Mortal
posted 29 July 2006 05:59 AM EDT (US)         
I want help about Aztecs and Mayans Civilization mod units, gods, myth units, mythic improvements and godpowers. please help me.
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MythicRuler
Mortal
posted 29 July 2006 11:05 AM EDT (US)     1 / 18       
Someone posted an outline for the aztec civilization a while ago, you could check it out in downloads section.
samari_tycoon
Mortal
posted 30 July 2006 06:23 PM EDT (US)     2 / 18       
Woot I love the idea, I'll think of some ideas.. Here is one instead of regular fishing boats, Aztecs can have Chinampas, floating farms that cost twice as much as normal fishing boats. They require no fishing spots and slowly add food to the stockpile.

For building sites, they can have things called villages. These buildings will cost quite a lot and would serve as drop off points and houses. Their temples, can spawn shaman. Heroes that can sacrifice units of your own society for favor. The more costly the unit the more favor it grants. their castle like building could be temple complexes that can build their high status warriors and myth units.
Aside from that they could have regular markets, regular military sites and regular town centers. They can have three levels of walls, and two levels of towers.

Their military would be unique in they would have very high attack, and very low armor. Aside from that they would have only three military units that can be built. Low warriors that would have lower attack and lower hit points. They would have to other units Eagle warriors that would serve as a replacement for Calvary, and Jaguar warriors good against other infantry.

Although they can build only three different types of units their units could upgrade though battle for instance. Low warrior after 3 kills turns into a butterfly warrior (more hit points, and a back banner), two more kills it turns into a Otontin warrior (More hit points, better attack, bonus damage against myth units) they dress in green and have neat back banners, Three more kills and they turn into Cuachicqueh warrior (more hit points, more attack, special attack that paralyzes myth units or human soldiers for 5 seconds, full fledged hero) they dress in yellow and have claw back banners, After 5 more kills they turn into Tlacochcalcatl warriors (regenerate, more hit points, greater attack, full fledge hero, special paralyzing attack that effects myth units, heroes, and humans that lasts for 10 seconds.) Their scary looking, they dress in white, have skull mask things, use spears, have very big banners.
While the low warriors are very weak, when fully upgraded they are some of the strongest units in the game.
I'll get back to you on gods.

edit heres a link to a site th shows the difernt units. http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/1492/mexico/painting_guide_aztec.htm


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[This message has been edited by samari_tycoon (edited 07-30-2006 @ 07:12 PM).]

Fenrir Axebearer
Mortal
posted 31 July 2006 01:32 AM EDT (US)     3 / 18       
Thank you, samurai tycoon. You helped me.
You can see my page in aom fourm in modding. That is about Atlantean mega mod. In Atlantean mega mod is "The Atlantean" Expansion. Thre needs a new civilizations - Aztecs, Mayans (they were connected to Atlanteans, you will find in Poseidon: Master of Atlantis.)(and ancient greeks connected to) Persians, and Indians.
I planned about Aztecs and Mayans Civilizations, see below :-
Aztecs, Mayans both futers -They never has cavalry. They not has a Hero. but they were bravehaert then any Mythic and Hero unit can't use theier special abillities to them. escept scorpionman, avenger, and others like scorpionman.. they can use their abillities on them (Aztecs, Mayans). But in Mythic Age their has a research called "Heroic Army" (for Aztecs), "Gift from God" or something this will make all units act like Hero. No one can use special abilities on them. They (Mesoamericans) Not had Siege Ship like Pentekonter and Juggernauth or something. They only use Galley like Trireme and Fireship or Heavy Galley. Oh, Yes, Aztecs has only one hero called Chief Priest, who can train limit is 4 and Myans too, but diffrent name - Jungle Healer or Priest. They get Favor by holding temple for one and bu Scrifice for other.
Aztecs -
Royal Camp -
Archery -
Eagle Thrower (Javelineer), Atl - Atls (Slinger) Xopilli (Javelineer)
Infantry -
Eagle Warrior, Jaguar Warrior.
Villager - Jungleman
Fort - Royal House or Something
Armory-
Wood/Stone/Obsiden Weapons
Cloth/Cotton/Leather Armor
Wood/Feathered/Obsiden ShieldFeathered/Poisioned Pitch(That's improvement for mayans too)
Mayans
Military Base
Archery -
Balamob Slinger (Slinger), Plumed Archer (Archer)
Infantry -
Eagle Warrior
But Samurai_tycoon, you helped me to link thot website, I will replaning for Aztecs and Mayans Civilizations. My english not good. Pease you get understand. thank you to you again. (if has any idea then send me.)

[This message has been edited by Fenrir Axebearer (edited 07-31-2006 @ 02:07 AM).]

Servant_of_Odin
Mortal
posted 01 August 2006 09:55 PM EDT (US)     4 / 18       
omfg! i can't wait!

I have made a promise to the forums. If I break it, it's my own fault.
crazydragon
Mortal
posted 01 August 2006 11:32 PM EDT (US)     5 / 18       
love the Idea ,I could make you a Titan for this civ if you like maybe HUITZILOPOCHTLI. the sun god or QUETZALCOATL, (the god of civilization and learning) "quetzal (feather) serpent or somthing like that , just Email me at crazydragon62040@yahoo.com
Fenrir Axebearer
Mortal
posted 02 August 2006 00:35 AM EDT (US)     6 / 18       
Yes, Crazy Dragon, I already planned! Aztecs Major gods was Huitzilopochtli (Sun God), Quetzalcotal (Famous Aztecs God), Tlaloc (Rain God). I think Tlaloc too very effectiv in Aztecs Mythology. Because I never see any other gods not famous. But I need now some best gods for minor gods. I didn't found best gods, and I am trying to search in Google for this! Anyone can help me? Thank you for all visitors.
PrplPplEater
Mortal
posted 02 August 2006 01:06 AM EDT (US)     7 / 18       
I'd help, but I'm pretty busy with team projects. Maybe when we hit a slow period in the projects I'll help texture some things...

I can code and write histories too if you need it.

Fenrir Axebearer
Mortal
posted 02 August 2006 01:29 AM EDT (US)     8 / 18       
Thank you, PrplPplEater. I will get write history. But I need first Aztecs and Mayans Minor Gods. If that is completed then I am starting this mod then I will get your help. Thank you again.

(EDIT)
PrplpplEater. You says me you can help me texture something? No, see above I didn't need help now, and I am completing Trojan civ. This mod completed then I strting Aztecs and Mayans. I think that mod project will start after 1 month. But I need a help about texturing now. That is, - if you find a Cyclops' and Manticors' texture and you want to turn this into statue texture (like in AOM:TT) then what is you will do? Because I want to some myth units statue.

[This message has been edited by Fenrir Axebearer (edited 08-02-2006 @ 02:00 AM).]

samari_tycoon
Mortal
posted 02 August 2006 10:21 PM EDT (US)     9 / 18       
Here is a list from a handy book I have called Gods, Goddeses, and Monsters by Sheila Keenan, Very handy for this sort of thing...

AH PUCH
The Maya god of death was a hideous sight. He appears as either a bony skeleton or a bloated corpse. Ah Puch rules over nine underworlds AS Hunhua, he is an owl-headed man. The bird's screech means death is taking someone.

CINTEOTL
Many statues show him wearing a headdress made of corn cobs. This god protected the Aztecs' most important crop, Maize. Another part of him is the goddess Chicomecoatl

(I'm kinda leaning to this goddess as the titan, she is very titan-like)
COATLICUE
Giving birth was difficult for this Aztec Goddess of the Serpent Petticoat. She became pregnant after she tucked some white feathers to her breasts. Her other children the moon goddess and 400 star gods, were enraged and attacked her. Coaticue's head was chopped off, and the Blue-skinned Huitzilopochtli leaped out, fully armed with a shield and spear. Coatlicue is the supreme earth goddess with power over life, death, and the comic balance. Her good favors required sacrifice, and she was both worshiped and feared. (note: it doesn't say it here but her head was latter replaced with two giant serpent heads)

EHECATL The Aztec wind god blew love into the world. He brought the heavenly maiden Mayahuel down to earth, where the to of them entwined and turned into a tree. As a manifestation of Quetzalcoatl, the wind god also lured musicians from the house of the sun to bring beautiful sound to a silent world.

(Seeing that this was the patron god of the Aztecs I think he really needs to be a major god)
HUITZILOPOCHTLI
He has distinctive blue skin and bird feathers down his left leg. This symbolizes Huitzilopochtli's power as a war god, because warrior souls were thought to change into hummingbirds. But this god was also a powerful sun god and the chief patron of the Aztecs. When the Aztecs migrated south he led the way. He spoke to the people through the sacred medicine bundle. The Aztecs dedicated Tenochititlan to him.

HUNAPU AND XBALANQUE
These magician trickster heroes of the Mayan text Popul Vuh trump the gods of the underworld. The death lords beheaded their father for making too much noise playing ball so they went down to Xibalba to avenge him. The angry gods threw them into the Shivering
House of Cold but the twins built a fire. The gods tossed them into the House of Jaguars but they threw bones to the beasts and tamed them. They were then locked in the bat house. They had their blowpipes but Hunapu peeked out and a monster bat ripped off his head. Xbalangque convinced a turtle to impersonate the missing head and the brothers played a fierce game of ball with the gods. Trhough trickery they stole back the real head and won the games. Next the twins did their most famous trick dismembering and reassembling themselves. The gods begged to try this. Hunapua and Xhalaanque obliged. They chopped them to bits but never put the gods back together. Then the heroes went p to heaven to become the sun and the moon.
HURACAN
The blustery god of winds once imprisoned Homshuk the divine Olmec personification of the corn. He survived the god's three jails of serpents, tigers and fling arrows. The god eventually recognized Homshuks importance and promised to keep him watered. The world hurricane comes from this diety, who is also one of the Mayas' creator gods.

ITZAMA
Unlike his aloof father Hunab, this god was very active and very present to Maya life. He taught people sacred rituals and skills like writing and the arts. He knew the ways of medicine and agriculture. Itzamna showed people how to raise and use corn, cocoa, and rubber. And though he was the supreme god of heaven the moon god and husband of Ixchel he still looked like a little old man with a hooked nose.

IXCHEL Lady Rainbow was married to the great Maya god Itzamna. Together they produced the rest of Maya pantheon-- and there may have been 166 gods! Goddess of weaving, medicine, childbirth, and maybe the moon, Ixchel had a vessel filled with floodwaters, which she would overturn if angry.

MICLANTECUHTL The Aztec lord of death ruled over Mictlan, a kingdom at the center of Earth. The trip there was fearsome and involved climbing mountains, crossing deserts, and fighting off beasts. But in in Mictlan itself, the dead experienced neither pleasure nor pain. Xochiquetal ruled over the more desirable part of the underworld that was reserved for warriors who died in battle or were sacrificed.

OMECIHUATL
The goddess aspect of Ometeotl is the mother of an obsidian knife. After she gave birth to the flint, she flung it down to earth, where it became 1600 heroes. They wanted servants so they sent the dog deity Xolotl down to the underworld to get help.

OMETEOTL
The powerful creator of the universe embodies the very idea of dual natures, since he is both the Aztec god Omtecuhtli and the goddess Omecihuatl. He stands on the top, thirteenth rung of the heavily ladder and is lord of everything. The offspring of Omtechutli and Omecihualtl are the four creator gods: Quetzalcotl, Tezcatlipoca, Huitzilopochatli and Xipe Totec.

QUETZALCOATL
He is the most widely worshiped, widely depicted of all the Central American gods. This feathered Serpent is the complex but loving god of all the worlds opposites: spirit and matter, heaven and earth, light and dark, life and death. There are several myths about his creation and some that suggest he was once a mortal Toltec King of Tula. Quetzalcoatl broght people learning, laws, and their famous ancient calendar.

TECCIZTECATL
The fourth sun of Aztec world ended, but a divine sacrifice was required to banish the darkness and bring the fifth sun into existence. The proud and beloved Tecciztecatl brought his offerings of gold, jewels and feathers and prepared to leap into the flames. The god tried many times to jump but flinched at all the attempts. Finally a small homely god named Nanautzin pushed him out of the way and bravely jumped into the fire. Mortified, Tecciztecatl threw himself into the flames but the fire had died down. So became the sun and the moon.

TEZCATLIPOCA
In his dark, reflective obsidian disc, this lord of the Smoking Mirror can see everything, even the future. He is the unruly forces of nature, the pleasures of sin, the jaguar god of night, the opponent of the benign Quetzalcoatl. He is not just one of but all four of the creator gods. Questzalcoatl, Hueitzilopochtil, and Xipe Toltec are all Tezcatlipocas, differentiated by separate colors and compass points. He descended from heaven on a spider web and ruled the first Aztec world or sun.

TLALOC
He is the goggle eyed and has giant teeth. But as a god of rain and water, he was so revered that young children were sacrificed to him. Tlaloc had four jugs of water at his command. One poured soft rain that plants need. The others Blight, Frost, and Destruction gushed out of the others. Both the Toltecs and the Aztecs worshiped this ancient rain god; the Mayans called him chac.

XIPE TOTEC
The god of spring suffered painfully to bring the season of growth and vegetation. So did the humans who were skinned alive in his honor. Xipe Totec through his victims, was flayed. To the Aztecs, this was providential and was like a seed losing its skin inorder to grow plants. Statues or priest of the flayed god were dressed in the sacrificial skins until the skins decayed or fell off. this symbolized spring fertility.


Only the good guys win...
Not because they nice but because they get to write it down in the books.

In other news check out this my first sig add...
Its to good old uh, halo the conquerers forums, if you like halo, and you like AoK then go on down!!

Fenrir Axebearer
Mortal
posted 03 August 2006 01:04 AM EDT (US)     10 / 18       
I will gives more details after 1/2 days.
Thank you, Samurai tycoon about showing Gods List. I am already planned for mayans major gods is - ITZAMA but about other I hadn't no idea. But you gives me more ideas. O.K. I will gives more detail after 1/2 days. Because I am busy.

Thank you for all visitors and helpers.

PrplPplEater
Mortal
posted 03 August 2006 01:10 AM EDT (US)     11 / 18       
When I said I can help texture units, I meant that I can create the images that wrap around the models. For example, all the images in textures.bar are textures, and the game applies the textures to the models.

Once your application to join Purple Design Studios is accepted, I'm sure you can get some help from our talented modeling and animating team.

Although none of it has been released to the public, we've seen some remarkable work out of some newer names to the modding community.

Since we are a multi-compatible design team, we will need you to write some of the stuff (protos, anims etc.) for vanilla as well. For example, a villager's protox definition will allow it to build a Mirror tower, which cannot be created when using Vanilla. Take this into consideration, and you'll be a successful modder.

I can't wait to see this come out! Good luck!

[This message has been edited by PrplPplEater (edited 08-03-2006 @ 01:13 AM).]

Fenrir Axebearer
Mortal
posted 03 August 2006 06:06 AM EDT (US)     12 / 18       
REQUEST FOR HELP!
THAT REQUESTED FOR ONLY WHO HAS AOE3!
I want :-
Aztec, Aztec Chief, Aztec Eagle Warrior, Aztec Jaguar Warrior, Maya, Maya Holcan Spearman, Aztec Initiation , Aztec Chocolate Recipes , Aztec Chinampa, Maya Cotton Armor, Maya Calendar - All of them civilization,units and technologies's history and icons. paste in this forum, this page. Thank you for visitors.

[Edit]
Oh! Someone Answer me! Because I really need it. Do not anger me for saying. But I really need it.

[This message has been edited by Fenrir Axebearer (edited 08-03-2006 @ 07:24 AM).]

Fenrir Axebearer
Mortal
posted 26 September 2006 11:54 AM EDT (US)     13 / 18       
Anyone can say me more about Puma Spearman, Skull Knight, Arrow Knight, Coyote Runner?? I want to their historical background. Can someone help?

Fenrir Axebearer was Fighter of Ragnarok!
He fought sides of Gods!
His pet Fenrir Greyback always helped him!
He and his pet killed many Monsters! And Show many advantures!
BUT GOD ABANDON THEM AFTER RAGNAROK! NO ONE OF GODS HELPED HIM AFTER RAGNAROK!
Now he living in Norseland in mountains with his best and loyal pet!
Magnum Pi
Mortal
posted 26 September 2006 03:22 PM EDT (US)     14 / 18       
If you post your email, I could send you the bmp and ddt's for those images, which could be used for icons (the Chinampa and Cotton Armor I have myself for my mod).

BUT, I can't make any promises that you will be able to get all those bmp's/ddt's. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to take an icon from AoE3 and when I try to create a bmp for AoM, (taken from the ddt in AoE3) and I recieve an error message that the ddt shouldn't exist. Appearantly, AoE3 converts uses ddt's that can be changed in such a way that is not recognized by AoM-Ed.

Fenrir Axebearer
Mortal
posted 27 September 2006 00:35 AM EDT (US)     15 / 18       
@ Magnum Pi

You wrote -
(If you post your email, I could send you the bmp and ddt's for those images, which could be used for icons (the Chinampa and Cotton Armor I have myself for my mod).
BUT, I can't make any promises that you will be able to get all those bmp's/ddt's. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to take an icon from AoE3 and when I try to create a bmp for AoM, (taken from the ddt in AoE3) and I recieve an error message that the ddt shouldn't exist. Appearantly, AoE3 converts uses ddt's that can be changed in such a way that is not recognized by AoM-Ed.)

First I need permisson of Microsoft or Ensembles Studio for using AOE, AOE II and AOE III icons, screens etc. I already posted "I am requesting" about demanding MGS or ES's e-mail address. If you want to send me Chnampa and Cotton Armors Icon then see my email address - "AniruddhaHeaven@hotmail.com" I already told you that first open AOE and build units, click on them and press screenshot key. But wait didn't send this AOEIII icons now, I need to get permisson of Microsoft. And see my before post, I wrote that I want historicaly background about Puma Spearman, Skull Knight, Arrow Knight, Coyote Runner. Now I know some basic details about Puma spearman, Coyote Runner by wikipedia. But I want more details about mysterious "Skull Knight".


Fenrir Axebearer was Fighter of Ragnarok!
He fought sides of Gods!
His pet Fenrir Greyback always helped him!
He and his pet killed many Monsters! And Show many advantures!
BUT GOD ABANDON THEM AFTER RAGNAROK! NO ONE OF GODS HELPED HIM AFTER RAGNAROK!
Now he living in Norseland in mountains with his best and loyal pet!
Magnum Pi
Mortal
posted 27 September 2006 02:45 PM EDT (US)     16 / 18       
Alright, thanks for your email. So, assuming you get permission (I'm sure if you ask nicely and promise to give them full credit, then they will probably agree) you only need a screenshot with the native unit's face in it? I think that even if you could cut the image of the native's icon out, you would hard-pressed to be able to resructure the image so that it won't look blurred when used in as an AoM icon. (If you use a 32x32 bmp for example, in place of what should be a 64x64, there is a chance the image will become blurry.)
Fenrir Axebearer
Mortal
posted 27 September 2006 08:58 PM EDT (US)     17 / 18       
@ Magum Pi,
Yes, I know, but my problem is that how I connect to them? If connect by e-mail, then I need their e-mail address. And you are right, about "you only need a screenshot with the native unit's face in it? I think that even if you could cut the image of the native's icon out, you would hard-pressed to be able to resructure the image so that it won't look blurred when used in as an AoM icon. (If you use a 32x32 bmp for example, in place of what should be a 64x64, there is a chance the image will become blurry.)". I need native tribes screenshot because I like. And you know I can draw something goodlooking? I demanded native (mesoamericans) screens beacause, I can imagine their buildings, units. And I can draw it and show a modeler (3-D Max models), I belive the modeler could make models by see those pictures. I think you shot screens icons 32X32 and 64X64, 2 times. You go to gamespot and save AOEIII(no Warchief) 1 screen. After open this you will foind this icon is very big. I uses them, but I am going to modify "Mythology", their no need gunpowder units. My unluck, I didn't find any mesoamerican screens which has their own units icon. Thank you.

Fenrir Axebearer was Fighter of Ragnarok!
He fought sides of Gods!
His pet Fenrir Greyback always helped him!
He and his pet killed many Monsters! And Show many advantures!
BUT GOD ABANDON THEM AFTER RAGNAROK! NO ONE OF GODS HELPED HIM AFTER RAGNAROK!
Now he living in Norseland in mountains with his best and loyal pet!
Magnum Pi
Mortal
posted 27 September 2006 11:03 PM EDT (US)     18 / 18       
So you just need those units as a template sotf-of thing, for you to draw you you're own textures/models? Okay, if you can manage that, then you're probably good. I'll send you the files soon, but try to contact ES before you acually start to use them.
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