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Marclo40
Mortal
posted 04 July 2009 03:13 AM EDT (US)         
I generally classify a siege myth unit to be a unit which does a fair amount of crush damage or bonus vs buildings, but less effective vs other units
they are usually large and clumsy

- scarab
- behemoth
- colossus
- battle boar
etc

Do you guys find them all that useful, or is taking buildings down what siege weapons are for
is it more worthwhile to spend favor on units that are good against soldiers instead?

I find scarabs especially useful because they are less vulnerable to soldiers, destroy buildings slightly faster, and help save wood so I can make more chariots
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eXcess_petrol
Mortal
posted 04 July 2009 04:50 AM EDT (US)     1 / 64       
Colossus and BBs are overpowered
Dudis
Mortal
posted 04 July 2009 06:48 AM EDT (US)     2 / 64       
Scarabs kinda suck, mountain giants cost the same amount of food but are bette ragainst buildings and humans than scarabs.

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Lost Knight
Mortal
(id: huntforcollossus)
posted 04 July 2009 07:01 AM EDT (US)     3 / 64       
I sometimes find behemoths real useful vs human infantry.
iamdork
Mortal
posted 04 July 2009 07:31 AM EDT (US)     4 / 64       
Scarabs and behemoths are the only true siege myth units (best used against buildings), and they can be useful.

The other units would be considered dual purpose (collosus, mountain giant...) and are generally more useful since you can use them in more ways effectively.
OPSwimKidd
Mortal
posted 04 July 2009 08:16 AM EDT (US)     5 / 64       
The battle boar is very far from "large and clumsy", considering it's faster than a decent amount of human soldiers. The mountain giant mentioned in previous posts should be in your list along with scarab and behemoth. Anything else is pretty good for combat or buildings (e.g. Battle boar, collosus, sphinx, etc.)

Kan_Jmann
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 04 July 2009 01:14 PM EDT (US)     6 / 64       
Behemoths, Scarabs, and Mountain Giants are your really only "siege MU". Colossi are best obviously but they actually are general purpose except for the fact that you should always use them against buildings anyway.

Scarabs are better than both Mountain Giants and Behemoths though as the only real time you would use them is in combination with Eclipse and then they simply own (whoever said they suck has no idea what they are talking about). Mountain Giants are rather vulnerable to heros, same with Behemoths really (much more than the other MU in your list) and should only be used in mass vs largely fortified areas or against a lone TC or soemthing like this. Ourk was very adept at using Mountain Giants and I would suggest you watch some of his recs to get an excellent idea how to make use of them best. Behemoths are actually a very good counter to an Eggy FH and one of the few things I am good at doing with Gaia is FH'ing myself and spamming Behemoths vs my unexpecting Eggy opponent.

Battle Boars are by far one of the best MU in the game for its price, spamming ability, and for when it comes available. Not to mention it comes with the same god that gives you FW (no small bonus in the least) and on the same god path that gives you the strongest Mythic Age godpower in the game: Ragnarok. Battle Boars are great against both units and buildings and their extremely high pierce armor makes it incredibly hard to kill for Greek's ranged hero and Eggy's priests unless incredibly massed.

Colossi are the strongest Mythic Age MU however and give Greek the ability to stay strong against Eggy and overpower Atty easily. If Norse goes Ragnarok (not some weak 2 TC rag lmao) in an otherwise even battle just around the time you start to be able to spam your Colossi they are really of no use though for obvious reasons.
buppy
Mortal
(id: pubby8)
posted 04 July 2009 01:27 PM EDT (US)     7 / 64       
Scarabs pwn with ecclipse.
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 04 July 2009 01:46 PM EDT (US)     8 / 64       
You forgot your quote marks
Dudis
Mortal
posted 04 July 2009 08:18 PM EDT (US)     9 / 64       
11, too bad theres a typo

"Quotes are nothing but inspiration for the uninspired"
72% of people agree with me when I say 28% of people disagree with me.
"I'll remove the clit at the end" - Rotaretilbo
" I just snapped off my penis thinking it was a nk" - BeezleBub
"Im a transexual STFU" - Briguy
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 04 July 2009 09:16 PM EDT (US)     10 / 64       
True, I do not make typos11
Dudis
Mortal
posted 04 July 2009 09:22 PM EDT (US)     11 / 64       
typo's


"Quotes are nothing but inspiration for the uninspired"
72% of people agree with me when I say 28% of people disagree with me.
"I'll remove the clit at the end" - Rotaretilbo
" I just snapped off my penis thinking it was a nk" - BeezleBub
"Im a transexual STFU" - Briguy
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 04 July 2009 09:29 PM EDT (US)     12 / 64       
Nope, sorry bud
HailToTheOboe
Bitten by a radioactive ostrich
posted 04 July 2009 11:17 PM EDT (US)     13 / 64       
Aurora Relic
Banned
posted 07 July 2009 01:30 PM EDT (US)     14 / 64       
You forgot Petchusos, 12 crush attack.
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 07 July 2009 02:13 PM EDT (US)     15 / 64       
20 in nilla iirc, but these suck so hard vs buildings it's a waste of time to include them lol
Braza
Mortal
posted 08 July 2009 07:26 AM EDT (US)     16 / 64       
They dont really kill buildings but you can use them to hit ranged buildings without being hit.
Arus_II
Mortal
posted 08 July 2009 07:33 AM EDT (US)     17 / 64       
You can also use priests for that, but it's not very useful.
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 08 July 2009 09:16 AM EDT (US)     18 / 64       
I actually think in practice they are more useful than Pets lol
OPSwimKidd
Mortal
posted 08 July 2009 02:24 PM EDT (US)     19 / 64       
Generally, I tend to gravitate toward using catapults to take out towers without getting hit. Dunno about you guys though.
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 08 July 2009 02:46 PM EDT (US)     20 / 64       
Catas are for 1400 ez points nubs
Braza
Mortal
posted 08 July 2009 07:50 PM EDT (US)     21 / 64       
Ok try to look clever. I didnt say they were usefull against buildings. Want to test your skill by playing vs me ?
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 08 July 2009 07:56 PM EDT (US)     22 / 64       
Sure lol. I've been on AoTP_Major a lot lately. Look for me there. Your account? Random wars, choice of god, DM, what shall it be?
Braza
Mortal
posted 08 July 2009 08:16 PM EDT (US)     23 / 64       
Ok fine. I dont mind if you want rdm or not . just supremacy will do ehh.

BTW petsuchus does crush damage ontop of there 55 pierce damage. Wich only effects buildings/MU's and does almost no damage to human soldiers(99%crush) Still not saying they are siege MUs.





Oh you are not on rightnow. Playing on loko10 and thenighttrain.

[This message has been edited by Braza (edited 07-08-2009 @ 08:20 PM).]

Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 08 July 2009 10:20 PM EDT (US)     24 / 64       
I can't come right now until I finish up what I am doing here but I will be on soon.


The following scenario is based off a building having 95% pierce armor which most buildings do:

So, 95% of 55 attack is blocked...leaving you with almost 3 damage (it's closer to 3 than 2 I think just off the top of my head) of damage being done (that of course is rounded to 3 damage I think). So 3 + 12 gives you 15 damage done to a building. Let's just just for the sake of the argument you have 5 pets (I'm being generous here) eaching doing that 15 damage. That is 75 damage per attack which lasts about 3 seconds or at least close to this value...so that is 100 damage in 4 seconds. So in one minute you will have done 1500 damage...not even enough to equal a whole building for most civs and most buildings. Let's say you are vs Norse (who have the weakest buildings of all civs I believe) and want to take down a Hill Fort. It will take over a minute (in fact it takes 76 seconds) to kill that Hill Fort with your 5 pets (which are 20 pop mind you). Now, a lone Hersir will kill all five of those Pets in just about exactly 70 seconds with no walking time. I'll give it a second walking time to be generous lol. That means the lone Hersir can kill all 5 pets in 5 seconds shorter than the Pets can kill the buildings...and this is actually incorrect due to the fact that once you kill one of the pets their rate at which they take down the buildings drops. Anyways, the point is: Don't use Pets vs buildings lol.

Now, if you are going to be having a choice between a Scarab or a Petsuchos when you want to take buildings...I sure as well hope you don't pick the Petsuchos
Braza
Mortal
posted 09 July 2009 07:29 AM EDT (US)     25 / 64       
Now it gets anoying. I didnt say pets are effective against buildings.


LoL and the scenario you're talking about.... Is just rediculious. Lol especially the hersir part is nice xD
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 09 July 2009 12:54 PM EDT (US)     26 / 64       
I made it as much in your benefit as possible except the fact that you didn't have an army

Nah, I knew you didn't mean to use them actually 11, but when all these nubs come to the forum and see a 17+ player saying stuff they seem to take their word as sacred scripture

...looking for you online, you must not be on
One From Poland
Mortal
posted 09 July 2009 03:01 PM EDT (US)     27 / 64       
Hekas can become very crucial in the late games for Kronos and Oranos. I personally like to use them against egypt to take out their forward migdol camp. Most useful siege MU in the game IMO.
Major_Rackham
Banned
posted 09 July 2009 04:13 PM EDT (US)     28 / 64       
DEFINITELY not. They die like flies to priests and other MUs are much much stronger (Colossi taking the cake) than Hekas are. Plus, as Atty you need the favor for other stuff.
buppy
Mortal
(id: pubby8)
posted 09 July 2009 04:54 PM EDT (US)     29 / 64       
I like heka's to repel annoying units like mercenaries. It buys you a few seconds.
Braza
Mortal
posted 09 July 2009 07:17 PM EDT (US)     30 / 64       
VS eggy it really is a waste to use your favor on hekas. You should save favor for TT and hekas really arent that great. I would not call them siege MU's
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