Marclo40
Mortal
posted 10 August 2009 05:39 PM EDT (US)
I have heard some people talking about certain gods being underpowered
such include:
Gaia- people say that her bonuses are too economic and don't support any particular strategy and that lush it useless
Odin- his hill fort and regeneration bonus is indeed not what it used to be, his ulfsark tech is very overpriced
Set- animals are nowhere near as good as they used to be and take longer to convert. he also lacks an eco boost like Ra and Isis
myself, I'm not so sure if it's far enough to call them 'UP'
-with Odin, ravens and hunting bonus is great
-set can kill rushes if played properly
-with gaia, im not so sure (I play vanilla)
what do you guys think?
woodswolf
Mortal
posted 10 August 2009 06:07 PM
EDT (US)
1 / 101
The reason why all these gods suck, is because they don't have a specific minor god. Can one minor god really decide how good the major god is? Well many believe so!
Gaia: She doesn't get Prometheus and is thus a very weak target for MU spams.
Odin: Can't get Bragi and is thus a very weak target for elephant spams.
Set: All his bonuses got nerfed and he helps slingers, which aren't really that good, plus he doesn't get bast.
ich_bin_n00b
Mortal
posted 10 August 2009 06:54 PM
EDT (US)
2 / 101
lush is useless? what are u smoking 11
eXcess_petrol
Mortal
posted 11 August 2009 02:26 AM
EDT (US)
10 / 101
ROFL^
Odin is the worst god IMO
HailToTheViper
Mortal
posted 11 August 2009 04:26 AM
EDT (US)
11 / 101
imo, there is no truly underpowered god. Its just alot harder to be truly OP with certain gods, in which case you could argue at a specific skill level (ie with military and villie micro) some gods are more OP than others (such as isis becuase all you need to do is cast a/e to get a free army).
loki is a difficult god to be really good with becuase he require alot of military micro early when your eco is still developing which means if you cannot micro so well you either end up with a shit eco or shit military (mil dies). If you can do both extremely well loki is a pawnzor. But becuase of this knife edge style victory/loss i would say an expert would lose more times with such a god compared to others, where if you make a mistake you can recover.
the gods i think stand out as difficult (or underpowered depending on what we are looking at) are
-set
-odin
-loki
woodswolf
Mortal
posted 11 August 2009 09:07 AM
EDT (US)
15 / 101
what was the use of that post Nirwanda?
I already said MELEE infantry counter, I did this on purpose so people won't bias about the TA. Plus hypaspists are indeed better stats wise. And no sane eggy would always CF. So I placed hypaspist above the axemen.
Braza
Mortal
posted 11 August 2009 09:28 AM
EDT (US)
16 / 101
Comparing slings to turma and axeman to hypathist and such. Is just waste of time :-)
Oh turma have better stat then slings.
So next time I get rushed by atty I will not build slings anymore. Because they are worse then turma.
eXcess_petrol
Mortal
posted 11 August 2009 09:42 AM
EDT (US)
17 / 101
It's just me who thinks the only (for real) bad human unit is Contarius?
I think all others do their job well :|
eXcess_petrol
Mortal
posted 11 August 2009 10:29 AM
EDT (US)
19 / 101
I think it was called Hero Contarii rush xD
thisisntworking
Mortal
posted 11 August 2009 11:22 AM
EDT (US)
20 / 101
No god is underpowered in the right hands. Though I agree that Gaia and Set are relatively weak. Odin is good, GH is one of the best economic GP's and his Jarls are the best, and he can ragnarok.
HailToTheViper
Mortal
posted 11 August 2009 11:41 AM
EDT (US)
21 / 101
How can you say slingers, spears and axemen are bad units etc etc by comparing them to other units.
have you considered that turma may have more pop room or cost more? As for axemen and spears, they are cheap and train fast. This is why they are weaker than greek. Have 2 rax one greek one eggy, and train axemen, they will outspam the greek.
And who says an eggy that cf's is insane? lol. The only reason alot of people get owned doing it, is becuase they cannot transition to the heroic well and while doing that thier army at full pop is relatively weaker compared to a greek or norse. Thing is, if done properly it is a seriously OP strat, but FH is a safe strat, but definately not the best option all the time.
woodswolf
Mortal
posted 11 August 2009 11:57 AM
EDT (US)
22 / 101
Braza, surely slingers are the only valuable option vs. turmae because they are easier to use without screwing up your FH dramatically.
Anubites and sphinxes are perhaps the only units that the eggy player can get in classical that are good vs. turmae. They are fast so they could run away from heroes easily. Focus the slingers on the hero turmae so they pose no threat anymore.
HailToTheViper
Mortal
posted 12 August 2009 10:46 AM
EDT (US)
24 / 101
well, if you are truely CF'ing im not sure you will have the gold let alone the food to hit heroic at 11. Spearman mas is pretty expensive food wise, not bad on the gold.
I prefer semi fh which i would say 11-12 mins would be good, but its hard becuase you can get screwed by the enemy that is going full CF with big army and also used the equivalent of heroic advancing on an army. You are slightly more safe with isis becuase of a/e but you do have to micro a fair bit to be successful, not like a stright eggy FH where you are a bit safer with migdol early in the game
eXcess_petrol
Mortal
posted 12 August 2009 11:06 AM
EDT (US)
25 / 101
Ofc I do micro with Eggy rax army...the only reason I play it xD
I like to micro like Salska
I don't really have food problems cuz of mass farms